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It seems to me that blocking battery vents is the bigger hazard. It would be very easy to accidentally do so with a full pack or slight shift in cargo. Locating the vents higher on pillars would have been a good idea.
Thoughts on LC250 Remote Touring Capacities (4 Viewers)
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It seems to me that blocking battery vents is the bigger hazard. It would be very easy to accidentally do so with a full pack or slight shift in cargo. Locating the vents higher on pillars would have been a good idea.
Besides the vents. It seems the only downside he notes are the hard to reach valve cover gaskets. Which would hopefully be a once every 200k issue?
Curious to see how drawers would even work with the battery in the back. Seems like the space on top would be cramped and not comfortable to sleep on nor have much storage on
Curious to see how drawers would even work with the battery in the back. Seems like the space on top would be cramped and not comfortable to sleep on nor have much storage on
+ all the plastic coolant fittings. Reminds me of the 100 heater T’s but appears there are a whole lot more of them to go bad when age takes hold. Very avoidable weakness.
Between that and the vents we may have seen our first DIY fix items for the inevitable tech FAQ.
Between that and the vents we may have seen our first DIY fix items for the inevitable tech FAQ.
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Yep. A metal OEM hose clamp replacement kit bundle will be something for the aftermarket to figure out and offer.
Toyota engineer interviewed on a YouTube channel stated that the LC250 was designed with knowledge that most customers were likely going to heavily modify the vehicle. They knew it, so inevitably they cut costs were they could knowing that stuff was going to get replaced anyway.
In their minds, the LC250 is a starting point, not the end game (unlike the fancier Lexus GX models).
In their minds, the LC250 is a starting point, not the end game (unlike the fancier Lexus GX models).
Aftermarket is rarely (never?) the better option, particularly with anything powertrain related.
As a 100 series owner I've seen numerous comments of people who go with the metal T's, and in many cases they quickly find out that they leak
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We’re talking about cheap-ass plastic hose clamps…
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We at Toyota know that the first thing Land Cruiser buyers will do upon purchasing the new Land Cruiser will be to upgrade their tires, the baby rear diff, the thimble-sized fuel tank, and, yeah, plastic hose clamps.
I don't think we are. I didn't see any coolant hose clamps made of plastic in the engine bay.
I saw plastic fittings used as connectors for coolant hoses (e.g. 100 series heater tees)
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I understood us to be shown plastic coolant hose clamps starting at 15:07. Perhaps and hopefully I'm wrong.
Still, those are large spans of plastic connective tube for the coolant system.
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ryanjl
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Is it the aftermarket metal coolant fittings that are leaking themselves, or does installation of those lead to leaks?
I could see leaks developing if you take a vehicle with 100k plus miles and replace fittings without also replacing the hoses that lead to them, given that those old hoses have had time to harden in place around the original fitting.
Right. There are well established time tested remedies for the 100 heater hose. I have 7yrs and 40k miles on mine. New hoses must accompany the metal T and the correct clamp size must be used and not over tightened.
Right. The time tested remedy is to change them with OEM as a PM. Some do it every timing belt change. It's not a difficult job. There's a 40 something page long thread in the 100 series section if your more interested in the topic.
Going with metal tees you've also introduced aftermarket worm gear clamps (inferior) instead of the OEM constant tension clamps.
Point being even in a 250, to replace all of the Toyota designed and manufactured plastic coolant fittings with aftermarket metal ones, aftermarket worm style clamps, (and new hoses?) - because you don't trust the plastic, is crazy. I'll just replace the plastic fittings with OEM at a sane, TBD interval as a PM.
FWIW I got 18 years and 143k miles out of my 100 series OEM plastic tees. One of them cracked upon removal, but they weren't leaking.
Going with metal tees you've also introduced aftermarket worm gear clamps (inferior) instead of the OEM constant tension clamps.
Point being even in a 250, to replace all of the Toyota designed and manufactured plastic coolant fittings with aftermarket metal ones, aftermarket worm style clamps, (and new hoses?) - because you don't trust the plastic, is crazy. I'll just replace the plastic fittings with OEM at a sane, TBD interval as a PM.
FWIW I got 18 years and 143k miles out of my 100 series OEM plastic tees. One of them cracked upon removal, but they weren't leaking.
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This engine's plastic cooling system parts, including plastic hose clamps and "quick connects" are discussed more in the video below in the context of Tacoma.
Starting around 17:20. "A disaster waiting to happen."
I expect we'll eventually see an aftermarket kit substituting plastic hose clamps with Toyota's well-proven metal ones because replacing them all at once will become a PM need.
For Land Cruiser, burdening something as important as the cooling system with such ubiquitous reliance on time-vulnerable plastic is an eyebrow raiser.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I watched that segment and again didn't see any plastic hose clamps. Plastic tubing / connectors, sure. But all the hose clamps looked like the standard Toyota constant tension metal clamps.
TheLCProject
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Still lots of metal hose clamps, but also some plastic fittings/clamps (see the blue and black piece) where a traditional hose clamp was used on previous models.
I can envision that these plastic quick connects make the vehicle to engine mating process easier and quicker during assembly.
I can envision that these plastic quick connects make the vehicle to engine mating process easier and quicker during assembly.
Think we'll have to wait and see if they turn out to be reliable. Toyota has had some crappy plastic electrical connector tabs for sure, but their fuel system plastic quick disconnects I have not seen issues with.
Hard to say for sure but it looks like the plastic elbow fitting is all 1 piece including it's quick disconnect blue tab to join to the metal piping. It also looks incredibly simple to replace.
All of the hoses however look to be connected with proper OEM constant tension metal clamps.
All of the hoses however look to be connected with proper OEM constant tension metal clamps.
ryanjl
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I think a lot of youtoobers are hitting paydirt with the "but muh Toyota reliability" videos.
No effect on me. I come from LR4 ownership. This youtoob hysteria has merely adopted the perception of unreliability. I was born in it, molded by it.
No effect on me. I come from LR4 ownership. This youtoob hysteria has merely adopted the perception of unreliability. I was born in it, molded by it.
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