The COVID Thread

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I took The tinfoil hat approach not as a homeless issue but as an improper reporting and tracking mechanism based on too many variables to correlate a reduction in the virus spread. Homelessness is a multifaceted issue for another time to be hashed out over a camp fire and libations. Improper scientific approach is absolutely the issue at hand and the elephant in this virtual room.
 
I’m not saying social distancing isn’t doing something positive. I’m saying I don’t buy that the article accurate. 120 makes some good points.

Comet replied as I was typing, but after reading his comment, he hit it on the head with what I was saying about homelessness.

As far as events being cancelled, obviously now makes sense, but if we’re acting to slow or stop the issue at hand and then move on, then why not take it month by month, not months.

I feel for those that aren’t able to work and earn an income to pay their bills and take care of their families right now. I’m 39 and 100% retired and thank God that I’m in the position that I’m in. I have friends and family that may not walk away with their businesses if the shut downs last too long. Many are going to be in a bad place quick, fast and in a hurry from this.

I’m saying there is more going on than just a virus right now and that doesn’t feel right. The way things are being handled, s*** downs of businesses, towns, borders, hotlines for people to report businesses..............

I pay attention to history and watch what’s going on. You can always guarantee that when the media is putting an emphasis on one thing, there’s something else going on that your attention is definitely being pulled away from.
 
I took The tinfoil hat approach not as a homeless issue but as an improper reporting and tracking mechanism based on too many variables to correlate a reduction in the virus spread. Homelessness is a multifaceted issue for another time to be hashed out over a camp fire and libations. Improper scientific approach is absolutely the issue at hand and the elephant in this virtual room.

To disbelieve any scientifically derived metrics because you believe there are too many variables is to say you don't believe in the scientific method. Everyone is doing what they can based on the data they have available, and adapting quickly as the data changes. That's why two months ago no one was talking about mandatory shelter-in-place orders, and today it's reality. It sucks, but that's what our current data set says we can do.

It is perfectly acceptable to be skeptical of anything you read or hear. You, me, everyone, should be. That perspective is not the same as blanket disbelieving any article that postulates social distancing as an effective mitigation tactic, which appeared to me, to be, the expressed viewpoint.

I pay attention to history and watch what’s going on. You can always guarantee that when the media is putting an emphasis on one thing, there’s something else going on that your attention is definitely being pulled away from.

I mean there's always other stuff going on. Couple related things I can think of;

- securities fraud by some of our elected leaders
- growing privacy concerns, that population data mining being used to track virus spread will continue after this is over **this is a big one IMO**
- huge gaps in our ability as a country to coordinate large-scale responses to public health crises
- highlighted problems with tying healthcare to employment, when shutdown orders cause layoffs, which cause people to lose insurance
- highlighted problems with wage protection methods for laid off or furloughed employees
- there are many *essential* employees working at their jobs, with high risk to their personal health, when they're paid at or close to federal minimum wage (if they're really essential, why do we pay them so little?)
***forgot a big one***
- epa environmental protections are being rolled back or stopped entirely using the pandemic as justification - doesn't seem to be a defined resume date of these protections, which is yuge

There's a lot more, but if your point is to say we're being blinded to other problems that are going on because of pervasive COVID coverage, then you're somewhat correct in my estimation, but only if you're just listening to mainstream media. This is where I'd recommend listening to podcasts instead of just mainstream news outlets; the content is much more varied.
 
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Agreed on the scientific approach. It is the main stay of things making sense and how I see validity in a lot of ideas. The issue I see are studies coming up with theories too far into the future to be statistically viable and those incomplete theories being postulated as fact “lock stock and barrel”. Then our illustrious and highly moral media outlets (any of them) fear mongering to gain ratings and expand readership. The talking heads have no idea how to deal with this and they have to rely on the private sector.
Where’s my tinfoil hat. Oh thank God it’s after noon. I’m going over to the bourbon thread now.
 
Unfortunately, most listen to Mainstream media and what they read on Facebook.

As far as that article is concerned, I’m highly skeptical of its claims.
 
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Unfortunately, most listen to Mainstream media and what they read on Facebook.

If your point here is that there are lots of ignorant people out there, and make up ideas based on unsubstantiated ideas or beliefs derived from mainstream media, then I agree :lol:

I think it comes down to laziness in large part, and to be clear, I mean laziness in every demographic. So many platforms incentivize clickbait headlines/articles, and many people develop opinions based solely on the headlines. It's important to read up on concerning topics and not just take at face value the headlines that Facebook or NPR or Fox or CNN or MSNBC or Reddit decide to present to us.
 
 
Early restrictions here have slowed it significantly. We were the hardest hit part of the US for quite a while but our graph started to flatten very early. There are no signs of us easing the restrictions which is a good thing also.
 
Good read. Did not know that ~250,000 people in NC have filed for unemployment. That sounds like a lot, but don't have a basis for comparison yet, as full statistics aren't published yet, to compare to prior years.

 
Did not know that ~250,000 people in NC have filed for unemployment. That sounds like a lot, but don't have a basis for comparison yet, as full statistics aren't published yet, to compare to prior years.

"More than 300,000 people have filed for unemployment in North Carolina since coronavirus-related layoffs began.

The figure is unprecedented. Even during the recession years of the late 2000s, this would have been more than four months worth of new claims.

The 300,000-plus claims have come in since March 16, a span of about two weeks. The number is approaching twice what the state Division of Employment Security saw in all of 2019, when claims averaged about 3,200 a week.

The division took in more than 17,800 new claims Monday."

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I can see how we got a significant upswing in resumes applying for work. I would say 2-3 X what I typically get per week. Still, we did hire a new PM this week and a Designer last week. Some places are still running and remote work helps.
 
3 sources. yours, theirs and the truth. always. I check like 10 different sites. And still don't believe most of it. ;<)
 
NYC has tested over 200,000 people complaining of severe flu like symptoms - 75k of them have Covid

So less than half of the folks with bad enough symptoms to agree to let someone swab their brains with a q-tip actually have the disease. I wonder if these people were also tested for Influenza A or B or if they were just told "it's probably a virus" and sent on their way?

That, has to be a very frustrating scenario for them.
 
NYC has tested over 200,000 people complaining of severe flu like symptoms - 75k of them have Covid

So less than half of the folks with bad enough symptoms to agree to let someone swab their brains with a q-tip actually have the disease. I wonder if these people were also tested for Influenza A or B or if they were just told "it's probably a virus" and sent on their way?

That, has to be a very frustrating scenario for them.
Having been through that process, they do A&B first, since results are literally less than 15 min.
 
Wowzers - that tool is impressive. Seeing the shortages of beds in CT where my parents are, versus the NC stats that show us having plenty of extra beds to spare even at the peak. Almost makes me want to jump in the car and go grab them.
 
Not sure if this has been posted yet. Sobering graphics.


Very sobering. In line with the projections I've seen from other sources.

Will be interesting to see how the modeling changes as time goes on. As of this morning, it projects nearly 1000 deaths today, (3877 actual count yesterday, predicting ~4766 by end of day).
 
^^^^^

Needs to be repeated. Many people live paycheck to paycheck, and don't have a choice, they have to work


Really anyone that has to go to work (as in not work from home) right now should be getting time and a half even if they are salary. Hazard pay should be a real thing in these times. I can luckily work from home. Andrea can't and lots of others I know are working around tons of other people.
 
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