Store Bought Diesel Additive vs 2 Stroke Engine Oil

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Diesel Fuel Lubricity Tests
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/76.../177728-lubricity-additive-study-results.html

CONCLUSIONS:

Products 1 through 4 were able to improve the unadditized fuel to an HFRR score of 460 or better. This meets the most strict requirements requested by the Engine Manufacturers Association.
Products 1 through 9 were able to improve the unadditized fuel to an HFRR score of 520 or better, meeting the U.S. diesel fuel requirements for maximum wear scar in a commercially available diesel fuel.
Products 16 through 19 were found to cause the fuel/additive blend to perform worse than the baseline fuel.
 
However would I be better of just using 2 stroke engine oil as so many people do with great results?


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Im getting great results using nothing. You should try it.
 
I use regular 2 stroke ( cheapest wipper snipper type ) and it has made a difference in fuel economy and the way the engine runs. Its probably cheaper than the diesel additive you are buying too.
 
"Supercheapauto" hmmmm didn't think cheap and auto could land in the same sentence
 
Litres of diesel x 5 = ml of oil

I found this to be good for my engine. 12ht std turbo, 10psi, 3"exhaust, 250ks and not sure if the injectors have been done
 
I don't know about Australian diesel fuel, but for North American's, read Research Laboratories, Inc.'s paper: http://www.mining.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Diesel_Fuel.pdf for an unbiased opinion.

In short, the diesel fuels currently selling in North America are NOT all equal and NOT all are even meeting the ASTM D-975 specifications for minimal quality. To trust that oil refineries add enough lubricity in their fuel for the benefit of consumers is blind optimism. Unless American consumers know for sure the quality and the consistency of the diesel fuel they are buying, some sort of lubricant additive is advised.

Since I don't trust the diesel that I put in my tank, I've been adding a bit of TC-W3 2-Cycle oil for the last 2 years and found that my 2H is running strong with no smoke; and best of all, TC-W3 is clean & cheap! In Australia, I think you can buy "Full Synthetic TC-W3 Hi-Tech 2-Stroke Marine Oil- Nulon Products Aust Pty Ltd" or "Stroker OB 40 - Tru-Blu Oil Australia Pty Ltd."
 

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I don't know about Australian diesel fuel, but for North American's, read Research Laboratories, Inc.'s paper: http://www.mining.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Diesel_Fuel.pdf for an unbiased opinion.

Hardly an unbiased opinion and a bogus, misrepresented study as well. The people who wrote the 'report' don't seem to understand that North America is not just the United States. This report only pertains to diesel fuel in the USSA, NOT North America.

Diesel fuel in Canada must contain a minimum of 2% biodiesel, the very best lubricity additive available.
 
I use Shell TC-W3 2 cycle oil at 200:1 ratio AND Powerservice at recommended ratio. Seems to be fine so far...
 
another one using TC-W3 2 cycle oil .. in both my diesels .. I can't said is doing something good or bad .. :D but my mind somehow think it's helping for some sort of lubricity so I'm happy ..
 
Here in Peru I don't have to bother... 5% biodiesel content in all diesel by law.

Hardly an unbiased opinion and a bogus, misrepresented study as well. The people who wrote the 'report' don't seem to understand that North America is not just the United States.

apart from the obvious ego-centrism (forgive them for their misfortune, I've learnt to blame their politically egocentric school curriculum not the person :) ), what made you think the report was bogus? I'm no expert on petrochemicals (but do interpret lab reports for a living) so I'm just curious which of the information provided is false. But that lab in particular simply wouldn't exist unless there was real world variation in fuel quality, and like any other business, they need to advertise to their potential clients, so that alone doesn't lead me to think its bogus by default... but yes, not completely unbiased.

In regards to the 'independent study' (not sure who gets the money from the purchase links to most products tested) report by the dude on dieselplace.com, I don't want to belittle the great effort that guy put in to do the study, I applaud him, but unfortunately the report itself has a few scientific shortcomings and I wouldn't apply the results except maybe for that of the B2. For example, a highly reputable lab performed the tests and its mentioned that replicate testing was done in another lab, but it never mentions if the results presented were an average of both lab's results or just from their own. To have statistical validity with so many different lubricants, the lab test should be run three to five times per additive at each lab depending on the initial variation found (you never get the same result twice even with standardized tests), but that makes the study 3 to 5 times more expensive. Chemically, the test should repeat all of that effort again with at least two different batches of treated fuel (from a pump), because some of the aftermarket additives would have constituents that could react with the typical additives added by fuel companies, that would interact and could either improve or worsen the results for any of them, as such it's not really applicable to real life because no-one uses those additives with the additive free fuel they mixed with. but that would also increase costs X3.

On top of that, unfortunately I reckon there's a large risk that the study was hijacked by Opti-Lube that we'll never be able to determine. While its clearly stated their product was the only one sent by the company, they could have sent absolutely anything for those tests because it wasn't on the market: a savy business-man could have sent a super mix regardless of whether it was prohibitively expensive to be economically viable, nor would it have needed any prior testing on actual motors... as their chemist would have known which standardized lab tests were going to be performed, so they only had to derive a liquid that mixed with diesel and gave optimum results in that specific test. My suspicion is heightened because their website now promotes that same forum-based test on their home page as its principal testimony. I wouldn't believe any of their product's test results until I saw chemical assay results of the product used in the study pre-sales (now too late for that) and what's now available on the shelf.

the same dieselplace.com guy also arranged an independent air filter study... that one appears to have been fully executed and reported by qualified lab staff and the nature of the test is much less susceptible to variation requiring replication, and it looks really good. it showed that you can't really beat OEM paper filters for filter working life and dust protection. I admire his curiosity, and i can't help but think he might have been a research scientist in another life or set of circumstances. what a legend!
 
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Diesel fuel in Canada must contain a minimum of 2% biodiesel, the very best lubricity additive available.

Something I did not know till just now is that Provinces in Canada have different mandates as well. In BC it is required to have 4% renewable fuel in diesel: http://www.biofleet.net/regulated-renewable-fuels-requirements/canada

Forget who is was on here that recommended Power Systems additives. http://www.dieselservices.com/html/product/fuel-additives-management/additives/premium/index.cfm Made in Canada eh.

With biodiesel in our fuel (Canada) its likely not the lubricity that needs improvement, but the centane. There's a number of reports out there if you're interested in reading about Canadian diesel quality versus other world markets. I've also wondered if the percentage biodiesel fluctuates from winter to summer in our diesel.

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