@beno -
@orangefj45
Thank you for all the posts on this subject. By extension, your comments on OE, quality, sourcing, etc. open up a larger topic and conversation - around the questions of who do you trust and why?
It appears to this reader that Toyota views guys like me as a source of revenue and will price their parts offerings to maximize profits. And that is appropriate - Toyota is a business, not a charity.
Also, they will outsource parts production to support that profit motive. Onur might correct me, but it seems that Toyota's priorities beyond cost include quality and long-term strategic relationships with suppliers. A goodly amount of this supply decision model has to do with the culture of the organization putting their name on the product - Toyota selling bearings, seals, CV joints, spindles, etc.
Most new/used car buyers at the Toyota showroom probably don't ask the salesman who manufactured the components in the truck. Likewise, we are not likely to ask the Toyota parts rep who made the part we are about to order. In both cases, the truck or part box will say Toyota and that is typically good enough.
In the aftermaket for replacement parts - those spindles, steering components, Birfs, etc. - there are multiple manufacturing sources, packaged and distributed by various organizations. In the aftermaket, you can buy parts made by OE manufacturers, OE-equivalent manufacturers and sub-OK manufacturers in a number of different regions and countries.
Those parts are then assembled into kits (in some cases) and packaged for distribution and sale through wholesale and retail channels. Perhaps they have a brand (Toyota, Terrain Tamer, Trail Gear, etc.) or maybe they are a white box, unbranded product sold on line or through a shop.
When Georg and I decided to offer repair parts and kits in the wholesale market, it was because he and our friends who operate Toyota shops were looking for a OE quality solution from a trusted resource. After a fair bit of due diligence, we went with Terrain Tamer for a large number of reasons related to quality, logistics, economics, product selection and confidence in a trusted brand partner. This isn't a sales pitch, but an explanation of why we chose a given provider to be our partner. Other folks make other decisions, just explaining ours.
I offer this preamble as an introduction to this observation / opinion / question:
It is my opinion that the most important issue isn't the manufacturer of a given part or whether that manufacturer (Joint Fuji, Matsubo, 555, etc.) is an OE supplier to Toyota, but whether you trust the supplier firm putting its name on the box - Toyota, Terrain Tamer, Trail Gear, etc. If you trust the supplier and they back up their products, then does it matter where the part came from?
And if the part/kit is unbranded or a DIY import - do you trust the retailer offering the product? Will they back you up, make it right, etc.? How long have they been doing what they do? What is their reputation? Do they market quality and service or price? Do they deliver on those representations and commitments? Do they keep needed parts on the shelf on this side of the water? Are they good to deal with? Do they support you with information, education, support? Do they support your community? Do they listen and remember? What do the people that you respect run on their rigs?
Just my two cents - love to hear your thoughts.
PS - On the Jeep thing, my first vehicle was a CJ2A and I have owned several Jeeps over the last 50 years. I rented a Grand Wagoneer this week in Boise and except for the transmission control, it was fine....but......all I could think of was how much I would have preferred a 200 Series.
