Solar Battery Maintainer

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I was in California for work and on my way back from Specter Off Road (a visit EVERYONE has to make), I stopped at Fry's.

I found a "Solar Battery Maintainer". It was only $18 bucks so of course I bought it.

Has anyone ever tried one of these? Do you guys think it really makes a difference or helps?

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Interested to know as well.
 
I use battery tender solar maintainer and it could not cope keeping both of my batteries on top shape .. believe there is a thread here with mine and other experiences about the subject . .
 
Wouldn't it need to be wired directly to the battery, not using the plug?

I saw one the other day for a similar price but it never mentioned overload protection so i didn't bother.
 
My fear is that when the sun wasn't hitting it, it might present a light load on your battery and discharge it. I like the idea, however, if you live in a sunny climate. I wonder if it is waterproof and can be placed outside the vehicle, or if it has to sit on the dashboard, inside.
 
Not really.

That panel would be lucky to put out as much juice, in full sunlight, as a battery self- discharges...
...especially when it's inside, on your dash.

You'd probably want about a square foot of cells to start really making a difference-
and then, a controller would be a good idea to make sure it didn't overcharge when it's bright and sunny.

The boat and RV guys have some nice setups that seem to work. They're a LOT bigger.

But it won't hurt, at least.

t
 
Oh boy

jherre1,
Anything that has to be made in a "clean" room and costs $18 is suspect. A solar module @ that cost will likely fail under normal environmental conditions. That said, it may survive just fine on the dash. In the rain? After getting cooked? Not likely. All modules are NOT created equal.

The rating of 1.8W/125mA @14.4VDC is STC, or standard test conditions, of 77ºF & irradiance of 1000W/sq. meter. Temp. up performance down and visa versa. 800W/sq. meter is average ground level irradiance. About 80% of STC. And about 80% of light passes thru glass. .80×.80= .64= 64%×1.8W=1.15W not considering the refraction of the glass or the angle of incidence from perpendicular to the rays of the sun.

Sh*t, what the hell uses only 1 Watt. Yer battery. :doh:

My tablet is a 24W load to charge. Cell is 6W.

Not really.

That panel would be lucky to put out as much juice, in full sunlight, as a battery self- discharges... ...especially when it's inside, on your dash.

You'd probably want about a square foot of cells to start really making a difference- and then, a controller would be a good idea to make sure it didn't overcharge when it's bright and sunny.

The boat and RV guys have some nice setups that seem to work. They're a LOT bigger.

But it won't hurt, at least. t

Add a fuse to that.

Self-discharge is 3%-20%/month, dependent upon conditions. Likely 4-5%. So, with a batt that has about 125A@20hr rate of storage, like yer cruiser batt. 5%=6.25A@12.5V=78.125W/28days=2.8W/day. So, if the dinky module gets 3hrs of direct sun on the dash he can stave off self-discharge and nothing else.

This is what a battery maintainer is. It is not a charger. It will only charge the smallest of batts.

Not meant to keep batts in top shape, tapage. A maintainer/charger or a larger solar set-up is required.

About 2.5% of batt capacity is the base charge rate. Meaning enough charge to bring voltage up in a meaningful time period and eliminate the possibility of sulfation.
2.5%@125A=3.125A@14.4VDC=45Watts×1.25(irradiance correction)=56.25Watts to actually make the batt gas enough for health.
To give a good charge a 10% rate is it.
10%@125A=12.5A@14.4VDC=180Watts

This is only looking at power generation from the stand point of what a battery needs as far as charge rate. Not based on power usage dynamics. EVERY system is custom to some point.

Paul4560, this type of set-up is fine to plug into the lighter assuming the wiring for the circuit is in good shape. Backfeeding power is a perfectly acceptable practice. The fuse and therefore the wire are the limiting factors.

SteveH, the vast majority of modules are built with blocking diodes to stop to reverse flow of energy from the batts out the module. But, alas, some are not.

Below is a link to the charge controller I recommend, in my business, for automotive purposes:

http://www.morningstarcorp.com/en/sun-saver-duo

Built for up to 25Amps or >300Watts. Charges 2 separate batts @ 50%/50% or 90%/10%. Perfect for Start/House battery systems. Made by Morningstar in the US. About as reliable as it gets. Around a $100 shipped. Comes with a digital meter for a $60 upgrade. Temp sensors are also recommended.

Good modules, as in solid and well built with good power characteristics are about $45-$170 for 5W-55W. And $200-375 for 70W-150W. Plus shipping. 12V modules by definition are smaller than todays standard modules and don't benefit from the economies of scale quite as much. The bigger, the cheaper per watt. The bigger ones are all >24VDC.

Btw, electrician and solar installer here.

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Yes. I figured as much. But for $18 bucks. It was worth a try.

Great advice.

The instructions did say not to leave outside.

It also says not to use while the engine is on. It may be a big hassle to connect and disconnect all the time.

Thanks all.
 
I have one of these, but a slightly smaller version. Figured it would be good for perhaps at least keeping my phone charged...can't even do that. Even in full blast summer sun, my phone was still draining.

The one Phil linked looks pretty good.
 
The ideal charge rate is too low to even top off a full-sized vehicle battery under typical conditions, it's not even worth bothering to hook it up. Perhaps use it for any small engines (snow blower and the like) with lower self-discharge rates.
 
I've used something very similar, maybe the same thing, for years on a vehicle left sitting for six months in Hawaii. The panel is left outside, exposed to morning sun but somewhat protected from rain. Haven't had to replace the battery yet. :)
 

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