Yessir. I can get 100LL cheaper in NorCal than I can premium.
Rivian R1S vs LC thoughts?
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100LL is $4.29/gal here for 24/7 self-serve, $4.69/gal out of the truck.
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Tesla 752 mile range
For those complaining about range issues. 752 miles on evs are here. Just need my cybertruck.
For those complaining about range issues. 752 miles on evs are here. Just need my cybertruck.
Now that's more like it. Put that into production vehicles and the game will have changed big time. (Assuming this battery is at the same level of quality as Tesla batteries, has the same longevity, recharge cycles, etc.)
Damn, ship over some of that (w/ free delivery??)
$5.25/gal during Christmas somewhere in middle CA on way to the inlaws. To add insult to injury, there's often $100 or $125 transaction limits. Making filling my main and aux tank a 2 transaction 10 minute affair. $180, 10 minutes, to fill up 35 gallons, for 500 miles range. 1k miles around $360.
Don't really care about the cost, but when I do the same round trip in my wife's Tesla for about $50 supercharging. And it drives itself 90% of the way. That has my attention.
Charging at home cost me nothing as my solar system has long been fully amortized. $300 true up at at the end of the year with the electric company, to power my home and 13k miles of EV driving.
Maintenance, next to nothing over the 10 years I had my previous EV. Literally tires. And one "maintenance check" at 60k miles where they did nothing more than a coolant exchange. No oil change to speak of, no CA Smog test, no brake pads.
Anyone want to trade me their Tesla for my 200?
I have a 9kw solar so pay nothing to charge my Tesla 6-7 months a year. I have fairly high rack power rates and pay 0.22 per kWh without off peak. So if I charge empty to full it costs me $16.50 to go ~300 miles or $0.06/mile. In the LX I’m looking at $90-$100 to go 300 miles it $0.33/mi. With the Rivian I would pay $29.70 to go that 300 miles or about $0.10/mile.
Now many places have off peak rates. Rates as low as 0.05 or 0.07/kWh to charge between midnight and 6am. My brother in CA pays 0.08 off peak. So for him it is $5.20 to go 300 miles in his Tesla and would be $10.80 to go 300 miles in the Rivian.
It’s pretty easy to figure out for your local. Cost per kWh * battery size = cost to go the distance of range. The Rivian has a 135 kWh battery pack.
Just moved from TX to PNW. Can confirm I went from paying $2.50 to $4.50!
A few thoughts about EV:
- I owned a Tesla Model 3 which I sold. Lovely car. Would buy a Tesla again but not the 3 since the pup hated riding in it. My issue is the 3 was nice but the X and Y look a little ugly.
- Rivian makes nice looking and functional vehicles. Problem is they’re delaying the 400 mile range one till 2023. Which probably means 2024. I would not want to own an EV without 400 miles range. Esp an off-road one. Sounds WAY too stressful. I had some hectic times with my Tesla in the winter..
- I just spent about $10k putting armor, winch, etc on the cruiser. That stuff doesn’t even exist for EVs as far as I’m aware.
I think it will take till 2024 or 2025 till we see EVs with the range, aftermarket support, and availability to make them a viable option. Looks like I’m going to be holding onto the Cruiser for quite a while.
A few thoughts about EV:
- I owned a Tesla Model 3 which I sold. Lovely car. Would buy a Tesla again but not the 3 since the pup hated riding in it. My issue is the 3 was nice but the X and Y look a little ugly.
- Rivian makes nice looking and functional vehicles. Problem is they’re delaying the 400 mile range one till 2023. Which probably means 2024. I would not want to own an EV without 400 miles range. Esp an off-road one. Sounds WAY too stressful. I had some hectic times with my Tesla in the winter..
- I just spent about $10k putting armor, winch, etc on the cruiser. That stuff doesn’t even exist for EVs as far as I’m aware.
I think it will take till 2024 or 2025 till we see EVs with the range, aftermarket support, and availability to make them a viable option. Looks like I’m going to be holding onto the Cruiser for quite a while.
Boy i sure don't miss SF. Well I'm lying actually.
At with gas at $5+ a pop and bay area salaries if im being honest you would probably catch me in a Hummer EV with 2 $500 parking spots.
Damn even with those rates it sounds good. Thanks for doing all the cost comparison.
How much of that 9kw array are you saturating with just the Tesla or is this part of a larger battery failover system?
Random question how does Alaska/your area handle backfeeding? Can you make it pay for itself?
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I'm not the one you're asking, but here in BC the local hydro company used to pay $0.13/kw for backfeeding. They later reduced the payout considerably, to something like $0.01, and your solar array had to be "properly" sized for your house/needs, and not oversized. And at a later date new customers were not able to get payouts at all.
All this info came from a guy a few streets away from me; he told me his house is entirely net neutral and he didn't even run a natural gas line to it during the build. He uses an electric heat pump for heat, and had explained that the pump is rated to still work at -25C, and the lowest temp our city had ever seen was -24C. We saw considerably lower temps in the last few weeks, so I've no idea whether his heat pump still worked, and at what efficiency.
A local solar company gave me this quote a few years ago:
- 19x 310W solar panels
- Total cost of $15.7k CAD
- Cost break-even time of about 15 years
I didn't go for it.
Just got a dumb high quote in the teens for a whole home NG standby generator. Didn’t go for it either. I’d rather put it into an EV and backup my own home in an emergency or take it with me.
I don’t know anything about Alaska outside of raw beauty or BC for that matter but I think a battery like them or not, on a wall or in a car cover my city use well.
I would hate to give up gas though either way. Redundancy is a luxury to systems architecture. Ideally it’s solar, battery, generator that runs on NG or fuel as failover. In the apocalypse you would run the noisy generator only when you absolutely have to.
Our renewable energy regulations are Stone Age. I get $0.05/kWh sell back, also if for 2 consecutive months I make >10% over my usage they can make me remove panels. With our large variation in daylight and weather I have ~3months where my power bill is almost nothing, ~4-5months a year where it covers about 50% of my power bill, then depending on the winter and how aggressive I am about clearing snow off the panels 2-4 months where I make almost nothing.
That said I did the solar more as a sustainable back up power option as “green” energy. We tend to get bad weather and large earthquakes. I Installed most of it myself it is a hybrid system with off grid functionality and a battery (and back up to that generator) just paid a electrician to tie it in and get the tag. Cost me $6k total and I about broke even at ~5 years but have had it for 7 now.
I have 30 295w panels but really only 24 that do much, so my system is really closer to a 7kw. I have six that I mounted vertically so they wouldn’t get snow covered. They face unobstructed on a hillside SSW, best day of the year I get 1x on the verticals and 6x on my roof panels
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I wish they would have made the model Y with a normal drivers instrument cluster
Tennessee! Unfortunately, it’s one of the many reasons people are moving here.
I don't have anywhere to charge "conveniently." I have no way to charge overnight. Until I get situated I'm in an apartment and park on the street. Many people in cities park on the street and don't have a garage. So they would all have to go to stations for charging. At work we all park at a lot that is far from any buildings. So no charging there. Most of my employers have had the employees park kind of far out. I also during my driving tend to end up in some sketchy areas. I would have to keep a EV attended if I had to charge it. I wouldn't want it left alone at a charging station, i always have valuables in the truck. During road trips I always stay with the vehicle at all times since thieves look for people road tripping as they have lots of good stuff to steal. So i would have to stay with the vehicle while charging. I am especially worried when towing a trailer as it usually has lots of valuable in it and is a huge target for thieves. Also, when I see these expensive chargers in empty parking lots I'm really surprised they haven't been stolen yet. They got to be filled with precious metals. A tow strap and a running start and you got yourself some money. What does a public charger cost? Maybe I'm overly paranoid from just moving from Denver, theft was really bad there.
$3.15 here in Illinois. 30 miles N of Chicago……
California is such a joke in so many ways it’s not even funny.
California is such a joke in so many ways it’s not even funny.
I saw Tesla removed the Cybertruck production estimate of 2022 from its website.
So that means a 400 mile off road capable EV is looking at 2023 delivery at the absolute soonest if you want to be an early adopter. I tend to want to be an early adopter generally, however I would not want to be one for an offroad vehicle, especially the way I use the Land Cruiser. Too risky. I'm imagining 2024 is the soonest the reliability and aftermarket support will be proven. It's a shame as I'm super excited at the prospect of multi day car camping especially in the summer (AC). I was contemplating getting the wife a Model Y so we could use its camp mode feature so hot summer nights in TX.
The aftermarket support angle I think is quite important. Even if you could have a RIvian R1S now...would you actually take it on trails? There are no sliders or bumpers. Now with 14.5" of clearance you might not need that. Until you did.
So that means a 400 mile off road capable EV is looking at 2023 delivery at the absolute soonest if you want to be an early adopter. I tend to want to be an early adopter generally, however I would not want to be one for an offroad vehicle, especially the way I use the Land Cruiser. Too risky. I'm imagining 2024 is the soonest the reliability and aftermarket support will be proven. It's a shame as I'm super excited at the prospect of multi day car camping especially in the summer (AC). I was contemplating getting the wife a Model Y so we could use its camp mode feature so hot summer nights in TX.
The aftermarket support angle I think is quite important. Even if you could have a RIvian R1S now...would you actually take it on trails? There are no sliders or bumpers. Now with 14.5" of clearance you might not need that. Until you did.
Unfortunately Illinois is no better, given the fact that it is fiscally bankrupt as a state and Chicago is bankrupt as a city. Glad i live in Washington State and Alaska.
My Rivian and CT reservations are both for the longest range version. In my experience with EVs range is king, especially for me with the truck considering whatever I get will be used to tow my ~7k lb camper 10-15k miles a summer. I’m good with sitting back and watching what happens. I think there will be a steep curve in range and ok with waiting until 2023 or 2024.
No argument from me. We’re looking to GTFO.
