Rebuild or Replace the 1FZ (8 Viewers)

[Panzer]

This is a theoretical at this point, though the time is coming when I am going to have to do one or the other. I thought that with all the high mileage 80's on this list that we should start compiling some data on:

1.Is it cheaper to rebuild or replace the 1FZ?

2.Any performance improvements available during a rebuild?

3.If you replace the 1FZ (with a low mileage japanese pull out 1FZ) who sells them.

**The replace it with a TBI350 is a whole other thread coming later.

 

[cruiserdan]

Toyota does not offer "long blocks" The biggest assembled piece is a short block. Those sell for $3,384.68. A bare cylinder head is $1,318.66.

An overhaul would be way less for an engine that is not damaged by, say, a rod through the side.


D-

 

[semlin]

repost!!!!

you are not the first to speculate about the end of the line for your 1fz. what i have noticed is that all those who have done so still seem to have perfectly healthy motors many months later.

do a search

 

[cruiserdan]

Gee, thanks Simon.

You just jacked my five thousand dollar sale here...

 

[dd113]

smack!

 

[semlin]

Dan if you finally sold that shortblock what would you guys use for a coffee table in the break room ?

Plus if you think that Panzer here is a live sales lead, I can see why Larry has you out back in parts and not out front

 

[Scamper]

I find it odd that you're only thinking about this now...many years after purchase.

When I bought my truck, one of the ideas in my feeble cranium was that if I were able to keep it from falling apart due to rust/damage, I could always rebuild the engine and get the truck to last another XXX thousand miles and YY years. I figured at the time that the cost of rebuild would be, say, $10K, but that the cost of a new truck about 10 years after initial purchase would be significantlly more than the cost of the rebuild, plus any repairs I would have to make.

So far, I think I've proven myself right. Even if I were to have to rebuild today (after only 7 years), the cost of LC's here has gone up by at least $10K (allowing for sticker vs real buying price). PLUS, I get the benefit of keeping an 80 Needless to say, I've not even approached the dead zone with this truck/engine, so I should be good to go for quite a while.

 

[cruiserdan]

Dan if you finally sold that shortblock what would you guys use for a coffee table in the break room ?

Um, the cylinder head maybe? You know, stack up some oil filter boxes for legs.

Brand new....

 

[concretejungle]

THose wouldn't be the valuable oil filters would they dan? .......................

 

[cruiserdan]

THose wouldn't be the valuable oil filters would they dan? .......................

Nope,


Them be at my house...


Next to the "nice doggy"

 

[concretejungle]

And we all thought eric had the rest of em'..........

 

[cruiserdan]

Oh,

He does.....


He made his into a dining room set.......

 

[landtank]

this thread should be about getting data to identify the best time to do the HG as a PM item and avoid a costly rebuild.


It's seems to me that it's the HG that usually puts the 1FZ's dick in the dirt!

 

[Panzer]

Mine has actually reached the point where the oil is coming out the front and rear mains at 1qt /500 miles. 197,000. Rest of the motor seems fine. Debating between the cost of repair vs. the cost of installing a low mileage replacement motor. (If I can find someone who sells them.)

I did the replacement option on my mini at 84K. and it is still plugging along at 165K. The replacement has outlasted the original motor.

 

[landtank]

you don't think it's the usual arch seal area of the oil pan giving you those leaks.

 

[Panzer]

Could be. Been too cold and wet for my whiny *** to go looking.
Last time I had a professional mechanic look he said it looked like mainseals were starting to leak. this was at 160K. I'll take a look at the arch seals. I assume this is a common item. Sort of like the arches on the 2F valve covers

 

[CruisinGA]

replacing an otherwise fine motor because of bad seals seems a little rediculous...

at least to me.

 

[Panzer]

IF, it is just an oil leak then true. I tend to run my options all the way out to worst case before I start a project. That way if it cost less or is easier than the worst case then I am that much happier. Twisted logic I know. But thats "As good as it gets" in my world.

 

[reffug]

IF, it is just an oil leak then true. I tend to run my options all the way out to worst case before I start a project. That way if it cost less or is easier than the worst case then I am that much happier. Twisted logic I know. But thats "As good as it gets" in my world.

Pardon me for asking,


BUT WHAT FAWKIN WORLD YOU LIVIN IN?

Last time I checked, which granted was a while ago and T Y L E R swears I'm wrong we were rotating on earth.

 

[CruisinGA]

I understand the caution. But just where other than a leaky gasket or seal is oil going to come from on an otherwise good engine?

IF, it is just an oil leak then true. I tend to run my options all the way out to worst case before I start a project. That way if it cost less or is easier than the worst case then I am that much happier. Twisted logic I know. But thats "As good as it gets" in my world.