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Still interested in the bumper kit... And ntsqd's idea about "tabbing" the receiver location is a damn good one.

It's very very unlikely something like this could come back to you. I mean, it's not like you're designing Toyota floor mats, now, is it ? :D

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The price has gone up a little. Guess steel prices have gone up etc??? Dunno though. Anyway, the price (not including shipping) is 330. This includes what is in the diagram I attached a while back with the exception of the reinforcement piece for the receiver.

I asked about tabbing the receiver and they are not sure that is possible to do.
 
Fourrunner,

Having a rear bumper without the receiver hitch option doesn't make sense to me? I need a bumper for light towing as well for hitch mounted bike racks, and on rare occasions as a recovery point.

So I'm jumping on the fence to wait and see what happens.

devo
 
Fourrunner,

Having a rear bumper without the receiver hitch option doesn't make sense to me? I need a bumper for light towing as well for hitch mounted bike racks, and on rare occasions as a recovery point.

So I'm jumping on the fence to wait and see what happens.

devo

I cant help myself....but fourrunner is right!!!!!!
a cutting disc or torch or drill and saw
and 5 minutes of your time..........and presto! ...................hitch hole ! Now wasn't that hard!!!!!
 
if you are going to sell items to the public there are certain liabilities in doing so. I doubt you will have anyone sign a waiver to purchase your products, as that would most lkely raise questions to start with. Discalaimers would be the route I would pursue.

If you are only going to do some small runs of bumpers.... I doubt a LLC is affordable, but is worth doing to protect your personal assessts. Of course I would get legal advice from a lawyer rather than here on the forum.

I'm no lawyer either... For a small business with a small production run I think your options are going to be slim....would certainly get legal review of a a disclamer and include that in the receipt paperwork. These business obviously have discalimers for a reason, and I suspect that many of them are LLC business types. A disclaimer is nothing more than something that says if the product is used outside of what its desigend for...then the seller claims to have no liability for such use by the buyer.

You can't say..... don't use the bumper as a bumper and if you do I'm not responsible.

I'm guessing...on this but I suspect that in most cases with these type products (4*4) modifications and equipment bought and installed by the consumer....that the point of sale would claim that the user improperly installed the item or operated the vehicle in an unsafe manner...thereby incurring all liablity themselves... by their own "dangerous acts".

The "for off-road" use is most likely a statement that deals with the crash standards etc that apply to vehicle bumpers... so ie.. if truck operated purely off-road then those standards would not apply and if the consumer operated the truck "on-road" they assume all related liablity. Which obviously applies to many more items other than a bumper.

"joe blow" just can't start selling items to the public that relate to vehicle safety (bumpers, brakes, air bags, seat belts...etc) and not go through some R&D phase, safety phase, most likely some type of certifiation by a PE engineer etc and probally some type of certifiation throgh a certfied professional engineering shop, that's where you have to say for opertion off-road only to partially cover your @$$!

Another good statement is "install at own risk, operate at own risk, modify at own risk" or words that have same meaning.

Thes words in these disclaimers and warranties and etc... are there for a reason and are carefully vetted by some lawyer.

I don't think there is a 100% bulletproof solution to legal liablity. You can be sued for just about anything at any time, the obove paer docs... attempt to limit your liablity exposure along with the setting up an LLC.

Any sane person in the 4*4 aftermarket business would have some type of disclaimer in place before the first sale takes place(after obtaining legal review), and I think should logically look at what it takes to setup an LLC, or consult with a lawyer as to personal liablity exposure.
 
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I checked into the LLC thing and that isn't a for sure thing either. They can still go after personal assets. LLC's typically protect business owners against financial liabilities, not personal injury lawsuits. Without the receiver cut into it, I feel a lot better. I changed the design for the recovery points as well to improve the strength. I have 5 kits sitting in my garage with about 2-3 spoken for. Let me know if anyone else is interested. Have some cleanup work to do on the recovery points and some of the holes/cuts. They look really good. Will get one packed up next week and start getting quotes for shipping for those already on board.
 
Hi,

Just wanted to understand the details on the bumper kit... price is $330 + shipping?

Which is just for the base bumper (excluding spindles, and other misc parts)?

It does inlcude all the brackets , with all holes pre-drilled, for mounting the bumper and the spindles?
 
Hi,

Just wanted to understand the details on the bumper kit... price is $330 + shipping?

Which is just for the base bumper (excluding spindles, and other misc parts)?

It does inlcude all the brackets , with all holes pre-drilled, for mounting the bumper and the spindles?

Please see https://forum.ih8mud.com/merchandise-storefront/343628-fj60-62-rear-bumper-kits.html for further information.

It excludes spindles. If you look at post 245 on page 9, I show a diagram of everything the "kit" includes (with the exception to the small square piece with the square hole in it). The two plates with the receiver holes (2 and 3 down from the top) have been modified to exclude the receiver. You can add that at your own risk. The mounting brackets do not have the holes predrilled. I purposely didn't do this since every truck might be slightly different. There is no bracket for mounting the spindles, just the two bumper mount brackets themselves.

Does that answer you question?
 
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Not trying to be a bother here...but shouldnt you have a vendor star...?
 
Got my bumper from FourRunner today. might be a bit before I can start piecing it together, but it looks good. 1/4" steel. 1.75" hole pre-cut for spindles. 1/2" tow points.

I got my spindles and bearings from a trailer supply company. lots of farm stores carry all this stuff. Bearings, races, and seals are in a kit. standard Redline trailer products. the spindle is 1.75". Redline product # R20484.

Ordered a hub from 4x4 | Jeep Accessories & Truck Parts | Wheels & Tires | Off Road Parts - 2000# hub. fits the 1.75" spindle.
Product #DIY0012B -- Bearing Housing - For use with 2000 lb. Spindle $19.95 each.

Latches from Reid Supply - TC-331-RSS - toggle lock and stainless steel. little pricey $48 each on Amazon. But very stout, and stainless.

still need to get a quick-release pin.

Will take picts of the process once I start the welding.

Mark was good to work with and very helpful . answered all my questions really quick too.

jeff
 

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