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[rondog]

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agreed.

all geometry asside,.... definately focus a bit more on making both front and rear brackets at the difs allot stronger. I like to think you planed on plating the rear in. and dont underestimate the lateral load on the wishbone mount at the front dif. You may wanna spread that load a little more. steering puts a TON of load on the fronts locating links, or in your case, LINK. that single joint will have allot of work to do. when its all said and done, make sure that jamb nut stays TIGHT. I have seen tube inserts on a wishbones center joint wobble out to the point of stripping out.

your work looks clean, definately take advantage of the advice/tips and I sure it will turn out *****en

All brackets at the axle are mock up only! I did'nt want to waste time using the brackets on these axles when I'm going to 80 axles.THANKS for the input though - all knowledge is good!

 

[CruisinFJ60]

time for a long travel watts link

that would be VERY cool IMOP.

 

[Mace]

that would be VERY cool IMOP.

Not unless it is a seriously modified watts link..

 

[CruisinFJ60]

for a long travel setup if you could find a way to make it work properly i think it would be cool.
never said it was gonna be easy or wasnt gonna need to be modified (to whatever degree).

 

[CruisinFJ60]

All brackets at the axle are mock up only! I did'nt want to waste time using the brackets on these axles when I'm going to 80 axles.THANKS for the input though - all knowledge is good!

what is the advantage of the 80 axles over 60 axles?

 

[Mace]

for a long travel setup if you could find a way to make it work properly i think it would be cool.
never said it was gonna be easy or wasnt gonna need to be modified (to whatever degree).

The way a watts link functions it is impractical for a long travel suspension. Great for a mild suspension but not great for something with 14" coilovers or springs. Watts links because they are attatched from one frame rail to the other do not behave well hen the axle "walks" forward and backwards.. Most longtravels move more than the Watts link can accomidate. Additionally, the axles habit of rotating tends to cause serious issues..

If ATS is talking about the modified 80 series arms that is not a watts link. Pretty far from it actually. But, it does hinge in the middle.

This was why I was asking for pics.

 

[CruisinFJ60]

no i know how a watts link works

i just want to see someone do it and find a way to make it work properly.
im sure there is a way someone just has to find it.

 

[Tapage]

what is the advantage of the 80 axles over 60 axles?

Coil plates .. atachments for links and wider ( beefy ? could be, at least the rear )

 

[CruisinFJ60]

makes sense

 

[LCOwner]

What coils are you using? Did you ever consider coilovers in the front?

 

[Eskimo]

Mace made some good points, but certainly, if nothing else... the top mount on that axle side link should REALLY be turned 90° so the bolt is up & down.. the way it's setup now puts a s***-ton of sideload into the joint and will wear it out quickly...

 

[rondog]

coils

What coils are you using? Did you ever consider coilovers in the front?

They are slee 4" springs for an 80.Going to a stock hieght slee coil for lower stance.Money was the issue on the coilovers! was able to get all 4 coils for $400.00.

 

[rondog]

80 over 60 axles

what is the advantage of the 80 axles over 60 axles?

I was basically going for the width factor as well as the high pinion front. The 80 axles are 6 " wider than 60 axles, plus I'm going to use the rear disc 80 axle.

 

[rondog]

3 link/panhard set-up

Mace made some good points, but certainly, if nothing else... the top mount on that axle side link should REALLY be turned 90° so the bolt is up & down.. the way it's setup now puts a ****-ton of sideload into the joint and will wear it out quickly...

Yeah after listening to many inputs and the "wise-owl Mace" I think I would have better results with the 3 or 4 link, panhard set-up.

THANKS EVERYONE!!

 

[Mace]

Donno about the wise thing.

Eskimo was talking about side loading. because you are using that single joint to locate the links you really want the majority of the forces (laterally) to be on the metal art of the joint. Not parallel to the bolt.

I firmly believe that your wishbone with shorter coils will perform well. As long as you strengthen it.

80 series front axles are nice. But your choices for hy steer are seriously limited. I would stick with the 60 series axle and perhaps spacers..

Or, widen a 60 series axle. You have the fab skils and capability. 30 spline inners are available at whatever length you want. You would probably save money by just going this route..

 

[lowtideride]

MY vote would be to keep the 60 series axles as well. Or at least just the front 60 series axle. It seems that the front R&P don't hold up very long under a rock rigs. The 60 series axle has a beefer R&P with a lot of after market support i.e. Hysteer, 6 Shooters, Rock rings, etc etc...

 

[Tapage]

MY vote would be to keep the 60 series axles as well. Or at least just the front 60 series axle. It seems that the front R&P don't hold up very long under a rock rigs. The 60 series axle has a beefer R&P with a lot of after market support i.e. Hysteer, 6 Shooters, Rock rings, etc etc...

and with 2" wheel spacers per side you get 4" more wide axle .. easy.

 

[cruiser boy]

I have 2 cents.....Here is what I did and it is VERY streetable.I took shelby tube and suspension grade hiems and built -Y- links with a panhard bar,16 inch coil over sway-a-ways,on 37s full width 60 front 14 bolt rear w/rear spring over. Last weekend we did nearly 500 miles. Runs well a 70 , And will flex like gumby

 

[Mace]

I have 2 cents.....Here is what I did and it is VERY streetable.I took shelby tube and suspension grade hiems and built -Y- links with a panhard bar,16 inch coil over sway-a-ways,on 37s full width 60 front 14 bolt rear w/rear spring over. Last weekend we did nearly 500 miles. Runs well a 70 , And will flex like gumby

Radius arm suspension..

 

[bustanutley]

I firmly believe that your wishbone with shorter coils will perform well. As long as you strengthen it.

Ditto, it would be no different on the street, steering wise, than a leaf sprung truck (axle moves straight up and down). Just get your DL flat with the world and you will be ligit. The angles on my truck are correct and I get zero bump steer, leaf sprung mind you.

And ditto what eskimo said, that joint is not disigned to take loads side to side the way you have it set up.