Ramsey winch debate....

[bsevans]

I would like to restate what has been expressed here. It is imperative to run the ground directly from the battery to the winch housing. Relying on the frame to complete the circuit adds a load resistor to the circuit that will degrade your winch motors performance and life cycle.

 

[Adventure Teq]

If you saw and compared the two drive mechanisms you would have no doubts about which has the better design.

Maybe, but the 8274 is way cooler.

man, now i want to go find myself a shot winch and rebuild it! great write up!

X2, that's my plan.

Excellent writeup.

 

[Pin_Head]

I'll stick with my 20 year old Ramsey RE8000 worm drive. .

The winch in your picture is the REP8000 planetary drive winch. It is not a bad winch, but it isn't as sturdy as the worm drive Ramseys.

The RE8000 worm drive winch has some serious grunt, but its slow. The drive motor on the RE worm drive winches is below and at a right angle to the drum.

HTH

 

[bsevans]

The winch in your picture is the REP8000 planetary drive winch. It is not a bad winch, but it isn't as sturdy as the worm drive Ramseys.

The RE8000 worm drive winch has some serious grunt, but its slow. The drive motor on the RE worm drive winches is below and at a right angle to the drum.

HTH

It's an RE8000 Pin_Head and it has been for 20 years. Based on your PM, I removed my previous post so this thread could stay on topic. The least you could do is acknowledge your error or just delete your post as I asked.

 

[Pin_Head]

I stand by my opinion.

I have seen plenty of planetary and worm drive Ramsey winches and the picture you deleted showed a planetary model. They are easy to spot because the motor shaft is in line with the drum. It's not a bad design, but is is not a worm drive.

Here is a link to the owners manual for RE series worm drive winches from Ramseys web site so you can see what they look like.

http://www.ramseypdfs.com/owners_search_pdfs/912499-0905-H.pdf

 

[bsevans]

I stand by my opinion.

I have seen plenty of planetary and worm drive Ramsey winches and the picture you deleted showed a planetary model. They are easy to spot because the motor shaft is in line with the drum. It's not a bad design, but is is not a worm drive.

Here is a link to the owners manual for RE series worm drive winches from Ramseys web site so you can see what they look like.

http://www.ramseypdfs.com/owners_search_pdfs/912499-0905-H.pdf

Look at the motor - If that motor looks in line with the drum then you really are blind. It clearly is 90 degrees to the drum because it is an RE8000. Clearly you haven't seen enough of them to have a valid opinion. Next you'll be telling me that isn't the gear box next to the cross member that the motor pointing front to back is attached to. I think you let your ego get in the way of your ability to see the facts.

 

[Poser]

To get the non-8274 winch related posts out of the thread....

 

[Mark W]

I've only seen three Ramsey worm drive 8000 pound winches burn up when put to use on the trail. But then I've only seen three of them put to use on the trail.

Needless to say I'm not a fan of them regardless of how slow they are.


Mark...

 

[Pin_Head]

Now now, temper temper.

I agree in your new picture where you can see the motor, it is clearly a RE8000. Why not just post batter picture of it instead of getting all bent out of shape about it? It isn't like I was bad mouthing them.

Feel better?

 

[bsevans]

I've only seen three Ramsey worm drive 8000 pound winches burn up when put to use on the trail. But then I've only seen three of them put to use on the trail.

Needless to say I'm not a fan of them regardless of how slow they are.


Mark...

At an 8000 lbs winch load the Warn 8274 has a line speed of 6.10 fpm and a current draw of 450amps. The Ramsey RE8000 under the same load has a line speed of 4.3 fpm at a current draw of 370amps. At 80 more amps of draw it damn well better be faster and you probably need to run dual batteries if your going to be serious about using it. I will grant you that the 8274 no load speed of 73.4 fpm is considerably faster than the RE8000 20 fpm. The worm drive will outlast the spur gear drive of the 8274 due to the fact that given the same load; a worm gear has less pressure on the teeth than a spur gear does. Personally, when I'm aiding someone in a recover, including myself, I’m far more concerned about a safe recovery with the least amount of damage versus how fast I do it. You may not like them, but the military certainly does and they do not buy second best. The next time you see a flat bed car carrier or tow truck with an 8274 - let me know.

 

[bsevans]

Now now, temper temper.

I agree in your new picture where you can see the motor, it is clearly a RE8000. Why not just post batter picture of it instead of getting all bent out of shape about it? It isn't like I was bad mouthing them.

Feel better?

I apologize for not posting a photo that had the detail that made it obvious what type of winch it was. I'll make a point of taking better photos in the future. Thanks

 

[lingo]

... but the military certainly does and they do not buy second best. ...

No they contract to the lowest bidder.

 

[crushr]

At an 8000 lbs winch load the Warn 8274 has a line speed of 6.10 fpm and a current draw of 450amps. The Ramsey RE8000 under the same load has a line speed of 4.3 fpm at a current draw of 370amps. At 80 more amps of draw it damn well better be faster and you probably need to run dual batteries if your going to be serious about using it. I will grant you that the 8274 no load speed of 73.4 fpm is considerably faster than the RE8000 20 fpm. The worm drive will outlast the spur gear drive of the 8274 due to the fact that given the same load; a worm gear has less pressure on the teeth than a spur gear does. Personally, when I'm aiding someone in a recover, including myself, I’m far more concerned about a safe recovery with the least amount of damage versus how fast I do it. You may not like them, but the military certainly does and they do not buy second best. The next time you see a flat bed car carrier it will most likely have one of two winch types. It will be either hydraulic or worm gear. If you come across one running an 8274 - let me know.

I thought the military was using Mile Marker winches, not ramsey.

Mark W. simply stated his real life experiences with a certain model winch - seems pretty silly to be arguing specs and theoretical wear characterstics against that. BTW, Mark's opinion is far better than gospel for many of us long-term LCML'ers.

I own, and am currently restoring, a worm drive Ramsey PTO winch. If I was going to buy an electric winch, it would be the Warn 8274, based on the UNANIMOUS opinions of the true hard-core winch users.

It's only a winch. Its not personal.

Cheers! Blake

 

[bsevans]

To each his own. I'm not trying to sell them.

 

[Brian in Oregon]

The military does not exactly buy from the lowest bidder. They buy from the lowest bidder that passes the mil spec test. There is a difference. However, it can be argued that for some purchases the mil spec requirements are more loose than for other purchases.

 

[bsevans]

The military does not exactly buy from the lowest bidder. They buy from the lowest bidder that passes the mil spec test. There is a difference. However, it can be argued that for some purchases the mil spec requirements are more loose than for other purchases.

What you said is true. My perspective, however, from 35 years working for defense contractors doing everything from designing equipment for laser war games at Fort Hunter Liggett in CA to the development of tactical missiles and manufacturing test and validation equipment at the Raytheon Missile Systems Company in AZ taught me that the military like their toys and find a way to justify what they want - in many instances through sole-source contracts. I certainly worked on enough proposals that justified, rightly, the use of a sole-source vendor that had the most expensive bid. If you had been at Fort Hunter Liggett when the government was testing the three prototypes of the Humvee, you would have seen just how illogical and biased the government can be in evaluating what is the best choice for the dollar.

 

[Brian in Oregon]

True. Look no further than the very biased Army tests that all but ensured the Beretta 92 would win no matter what over the SIG/Sauer P-226. Classic example.