Radiator leak. Fixable?

[OGBeno]

My guess it is OEM just not sold by Toyota. Rebrand maybe? Hard to tell. Maybe like Wix and Napa Gold?

Toyota cannot do this based on supplier agreements they have with Toyo Radiator (TRAD).

TRAD does not provide any OE support to the aftermarket. They are and have always been the OEM provider of radiators for the Land Cruiser series both from the factory and as a dealer-purchased item.

 

[Mr Cimarron]

Well, there are humans creating designs that then get fed into machines. These machines then create products based on human designs.

Engineering is involved and then all sorts of other things like packaging, labeling, shipping, storing, etc. are involved before the product then gets to the end consumer.

That said, "PA66-GF30" means nothing if there is no Toyota part number label on the box and concurrently there is no white TRAD sticker with the Toyota part number and the TRAD part number on the top tank.

Again, to reiterate: if that sticker is not on it, it ain't from a Toyota dealer, hence--for all intents and purposes--not OEM, thus not warrantable.

I'm now intrigued about finding out what the "PA66-GF30" means now that I know it's not a OEM radiator. I doubt it's worth anyone's time to go through a warranty claim for it if it can be fixed easily. I'll know more today after I drop them off at a radiator shop. Bringing the LX rad in as well to get tested. So hopefully I will have two radiators, old OEM and a new "drop in replacement" type, to make a decision which one I will install.
Beno once again you are a wealth of knowledge. I like the way you tell it like it is, good or bad. Is a OEM in stock in case these two I have are not 100% reliable anymore?

 

[scottryana]

Hmm this is interesting, I bought a brand new radiator from a Toyota dealer last year when I did my head gasket, picked it up at the Toyota dealer, it came in a Toyota box, but it also doesn't have the white sticker on it.

 

[Mr Cimarron]

Hmm this is interesting, I bought a brand new radiator from a Toyota dealer last year when I did my head gasket, picked it up at the Toyota dealer, it came in a Toyota box, but it also doesn't have the white sticker on it.

Does it have the PA66-GF30 stamp?

 

[scottryana]

I will go take a pic

 

[OGBeno]

Hmm this is interesting, I bought a brand new radiator from a Toyota dealer last year when I did my head gasket, picked it up at the Toyota dealer, it came in a Toyota box, but it also doesn't have the white sticker on it.

This morning in my warehouse.

 

[scottryana]

Hmm Interesting mine looks like it had some white paint on it at some point but has rubbed off. It does have the PA66-GF30 in the top tank.

 

[scottryana]

Beno it that the aluminum or 3 row copper?

 

[OGBeno]

Beno it that the aluminum or 3 row copper?

You are onto something with this. I forget there is the later 2 row aluminum radiator: 16400-66081 I never order those as I think they are of lesser quality than the 3 row brass one I posted for the earlier 1993-1994 radiators.

Good call Ryan. This would lead me to suspect that the radiator that Cimarron has is indeed OEM. Again, I'd figure out a way to get a copy of the receipt if at all possible.

 

[scottryana]

Whoops forgot the photo.

 

[OGBeno]

Whoops forgot the photo.

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I'm more interested in the white "TOYOTA" on the left of the picture. That looks OEM.

 

[scottryana]

Yeah like I said, it looks like some white paint or lettering but I don't think it was ever very good. It rubbed off or never made it to me with the full name and part number.

 

[Mr Cimarron]

That is the same place I have faint Toyota paint markings on LX radiator. I also noticed it has some foam padding on the grill side which my suspect rad does not. Does this "padding" come on the OEM ones?
Another note I dropped both at a rad shop this morning. They are making one good one out of the two if possible. They suspect the tank was cracked. I'll know more this afternoon. Cost is $95.

 

[Mr Cimarron]

Just realized in Benos photo it does indeed have the padding.

 

[scottryana]

That does indeed look like it might be a higher quality radiator than the aluminum rad.... Hmmm well maybe in the next 150,000 miles I will use one of those. ha.

 

[Kernal]

Beno: in the photo you posted of the 16400-66040 radiator, is that an all brass radiator (core and tanks) and is that some sort of coating on the top tank?

 

[Mr Cimarron]

I just got the call from the repair shop. My leaking radiator just needed to be re crimped on the seam. The LX radiator passed the pressure text so it's good to go as well.

 

[OGBeno]

I was just at ACC Totoya here in ATL and they had an 80 series (later) with a replaced (in the past year) radiator of the later kind.

Markings:

You can see it has the small "TRAD" symbol in white.

I never sell this radiator since it is inferior IMO.

 

[Mr Cimarron]

I was just at ACC Totoya here in ATL and they had an 80 series (later) with a replaced (in the past year) radiator of the later kind.

Markings:

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You can see it has the small "TRAD" symbol in white.

I never sell this radiator since it is inferior IMO.

That's the same markings on my LX rad. Also comparing the two side by side there are small differences between the two which back up your stance of it not being OEM. Looks like the "PA66-GF30" is only the plastic.
http://www.polnac.com.mx/hojas-tecnicas-pdf/basf/UltramidA3WG6.pdf

 

[Tools R Us]

You are onto something with this. I forget there is the later 2 row aluminum radiator: 16400-66081 I never order those as I think they are of lesser quality than the 3 row brass one I posted for the earlier 1993-1994 radiators.
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I never sell this radiator since it is inferior IMO.

I guess that is in how you define "inferior"? Aluminum is cheaper per pound than copper, so I guess, perceived as "inferior"? It's not uncommon to see original aluminum radiators, still doing the job, so good life, especially in our local, demanding climate, desert. Due to almost all of the install base being aluminum, the coolant mix is now biased to protecting them over copper. Due to the characteristics of aluminum, the design can change, different tube size/depth and fin spacing, theoretically making them more efficient, less restrictive in both water and air flow. This is evident in our observations, when heavily loaded, slogging through sand, big climbs, etc, the temp call comes on the radio, it easy to pick out the copper equipped rigs, always significantly, repeatedly, hotter.

Not so much anymore, locally most of the copper radiators have been switched to aluminum. The ones still running copper also rely on the stock temp gauge, so can't tell the difference.