Production numbers FJ45 LWB

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I think some of us would sure like to see the figures from before 1964.

You think the "Museum" may have those, and if so, they might provide a copy we can post?

Where is this museum--Japan, or the local one in California? Maybe time to take a trip and visit.

I imagine if Marv got the earlier figures from them, he would've printed them as well.
 
I think some of us would sure like to see the figures from before 1964.

You think the "Museum" may have those, and if so, they might provide a copy we can post?

Where is this museum--Japan, or the local one in California? Maybe time to take a trip and visit.

I imagine if Marv got the earlier figures from them, he would've printed them as well.

Both places have museums but it is my understanding (not having visited either) that they California museum has a better selection of Land Cruisers. Neither allow walk-in traffic, both require some an appointment to get in the door. I've got some corporate Toyota acquaintances I've been working for a personal tour, one of these days. It would be worth a call to see if the curator here in the US has any additional info, after all they were willing to share this info. Contact info here: http://www.toyotausamuseum.com/about.htm

I'll fly in, you pick me up at the airport :D

The Land Cruiser Heritage Museum in Tooele, Utah also has a growing collection of historical info. I don't know how/when they will allow people to access the old catalogs, microfiche, etc but they have some neat stuff. I have a printed copy of the frame reference manual I plan to donate next time I'm out there. They may already have a copy but I figured a second won't hurt.
 
Hey guys
Never thought this thread would get this interesting when I originally asked the question. It has been a great treat to read your research and enjoy your hard work as the information unfolds. I am sure the info that is being looked for will be uncovered for questions at hand and our curiosity will be quenched. I have learned and it gets me deeper into questions, TNX to you all. Best
 
Unfortunately, the list you provided is for one of the FJ40 assembly-line records. You said you have an FJ45.

Relevant to all this would be internal company records that are broken down into more than monthly model outputs. Some of us would like to know about options and variations that were produced for various export markets. Added to that would be data from the non-Japanese assembly plants in operation during production years. Undoubtedly the company would have archivists, but getting access to that data may be highly restricted, even at this later date. Internal corporate privacy of data gleaned from sales over the years will probably never be divulged in such a highly competitive industry.

But we can always hope.
 
The VINs from the sticky lists:

61 10217 bdlatin LV

All SWB Fixed hard tops pick ups.

62 11892 lupdog cab only - OZ

63 13007 RustyNailJustin - RHT conversion - US
63 13018 D'Animal -US
63 13057 leadvegas - US
63 13059 3_puppies - US
63 13170 guy in Montana - US
63 13171 Taylor -US
63 13202 some dude in MT - US
63 13333 Billybongo - US
63 13358 63FJ45swb - US
64 13364 goingnowherefast - US
63 13375 a guy named doug
63 13383 cppilot - US
63 13521 KC_Chevota - US
63 13673 John Pardi RHT conversion
63 13804 - toyotaguy34 -US
63 13811 Dmaddox - US


Then the LVs start showing up.

63 14218 ClemsonCruiser - LV
63 14433 parted out- LV
63 14452 For sale 1964 fj45lv fj45-14452- LV
63 14502 Whitey45- LV
63 14462 eBay auction- LV

64 15022 MMcInnes - LV
64 15067 Abecker - US SWB
64 15107 Landpimp - LV
64 15163 D'Animal - SWB
64 15366 Treeroot - - LV
64 15480 pjmhd02 - LV
64 15488 1tontoy - LV
64 15489 Wilma - treeroot - LV
64 15742 Treeroot - LV
64 15759 Treeroot - LV
64 15767 Greasecruiser - LV
64 15797 Tornadoalleycruiser - SWB
65 15862 Crosscreekjoe - LV
64 15964 Gumby - LV
64 16276 Zimcesar -LV
64 16290 ClemsonCruiser - LV
65 16448 donar - treeroot - LV
64 16634 Gumby - US SWB
64 16641 64fjcruiser - US SWB

all SWBs from here out are removable hard tops
64 17100 Taylor - US - SWB
65 17022 Porten1134 - pieces LV
65 17075 taylor LV
65 17076 CJLTLC LV
65 20150 hawaiioutdoors US-SWB
65 20152 nocents US-SWB
65 20162 DomSmith US-SWB
65 20163 LV66 US-SWB
66 20164 RustyNailJustin US-SWB
65 20167 tjhaga US-SWB
65 20173 Whitey US-SWB
65 20177 *Deceased* US-SWB
65 20234 Kevin Findlay Netherlands -LV
65 20425 Puddle US -SWB
66 20428 todt US-SWB
65 20429 nuclearlemon US-SWB
65 20460 SHREG US-SWB
NY 20736 Lito -LV
65 21101 Tennessee80 US -SWB
66 21143 Otterpup US -SWB
65 21246 "private" US -SWB
65 21249 bigmtnclimber US-SWB
65 21250 dr.pow US-SWB
65 21251 Grease Cruiser-SWB
66 21253 *Deceased* US-SWB
65 21321 3puppies US-SWB
66 21634 "unknown" US-SWB
65 21821 TMACK US-SWB
64 21824 rambomanor CA-SWB
65 21902 Land Cruiser Junky LV
65 21932 IDAHO02 US - SWB
65 22137 Crawlin Cruiser - LV
65 22227 Rix 45 -LV
65 22250 Treeroot - LV
65 22643 Mattcamp -LV
65 22645 Wout - LV
65 22773 rockcod Now Hendogs US -SWB
66 22831 Pics45 US-SWB
65 22833 landcrusher910 US-SWB
65 22867 owensexport US-SWB
65 22873 Landcrusierjunky LV
65 22880 ctcv1984 US - SWB
65 22889 Jack A - LV
65 22923 Pygpen US SWB
65 22964 eBay in Oz - LV
65 22977 ratacruel US - SWB

The rest are all LVs.The LWB list hasn't been organized the same way as the others so it is much harder to plug in.


66 23300
65 23336 in the woods in MN
65 23422 Burbankianfj45wagon
65 23702 Taylor
65 23823 Treeroot
66 24066 Taylor
67 24459 traveling62
66 24497 eBay in Tx
67 24515 cruiserland
67 24517 Alan Jackson's sold at Barrett Jackson
65 24591 Cruiserbrett - frame only
66 24679 71-cruiser
66 24698 OZFJ45V
65 24822 Cruiserbrett
65 24933 C2dfj45
65 NoVIN Markieboy
66 25163 Treeroot - frame only
66 25181 Carfarmer
67 25202 Tahoe 40/45 - parts
66 25236 Treeroot
66 25386 Woytovich
66 25385 Rockcod - parts
66 25453 66FJ45LV
67 25469 - jake aka jc71fj40
66 25595 Landcrusher909
66 25602 peterman
66 25603 Rix 45
66 25986 Merbesfield
66 26319 htnfool
NY 26320 Spineybrett
67 26663 Jeremy
67 26899 Tahoe 40/45
66 27338 Uted
66 27969 Chaveznic
67 28890 ACC Toyota
67 28909 Scott Parsley
67 29354 Lupdog
68 29965 (parted out) Crawlin Cruiser

66 32811 TMACK US SWB
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An interesting question, some of us have pondered.

Here's a rather long-winded interpretation:

To date no one has come up with a printed factory production output for the complete run of the FJ4X series, or one that is split-out into individual models. I would suspect that data is closed-information within the Toyota Corporation. That is why the question resurfaces periodically about the pickups, the Troopies, the 1983 US imports of the FJ40, the number of wagons built, etc.. From a collector's standpoint, I can see this as being of value, especially as existing examples dwindle and values continue to escalate. And most of us simply would "just like to know." Various numbers are thrown-around out there, but hard data is in short supply.

I have never seen any numbers that separated-out the LWB(pickups) from the Troopies, or from the earlier 45V and 45LV, and SWB models. The 1986 factory Production Frame Reference shows three different and concurrent FJ45 serial numbering lines.

As discussed some years ago, there apparently was a need for a separate numbering system in the EEC(European market), perhaps somewhat similar to the decision to run concurrent but different numbering systems once the international VIN 17-digit system kicked in. Not every country immediately subscribed to the VIN numbering system, and Toyota itself in many markets was slow in so doing.

Anyway, factory records from January 1980-June 1986 show one line(the line most of us have seen examples of) beginning FJ45-249198 - FJ45-421310, another line FJ45-800082 - FJ45-810199, and a third FJ45-850001 - FJ45-850558.

A Russian website many years ago published serial numbers for the 45s starting from August 1978 with FJ45-0199119 which meshes correctly with the Factory lists above. They did not list their source of information.

The above lists do not include the BJ45 series, or the earlier 45 series from the 1960s. The earlier series has been documented by SpecterOffRoad, and is likely reliable considering their special relationship with Toyota, but not sure their numbers split-out the LWB from the wagons or the SWB. That listing starts in January 1964 with FJ45-15938 through November 1968 with FJ45-36802..

I have not seen any documentation of the numbers from December 1968-July 1978. An educated guess would be that the most common line that started back in the early 1960s and continued until the end, June 1986, would account for the "lost" numbers, perhaps as many as 180,000 units. These year variants never appeared in the USA at the time, so likely they continued in heavy demand in the Rest of the World(ROW).

One of the questions would be: did the FJ45 frame number system start with serial number 000001, or like some manufacturers in Europe, start with a much higher number for the very first produced?

And, as there are 15,000 unaccounted-for serial numbers preceding the Specter list--were there 15,000 trucks built before 1964, when only 4,000 or so were being produced yearly through the early 1960s? At that extrapolated rate, series production would have had to start somewhere around 1960?

Because we in the USA didn't continue to see importation of the 45s beyond 1967, we never saw the increased demand worldwide for these trucks for the next twenty years. What may seem "rare" to us, may be very "common" in other far-reaching corners of the world.

So............my "guess" FWIW, and this is my own interpretation, subject to more knowledgeable correction, would be a total of all 45s manufactured to be somewhere in the 500,000 - 600,000 range. How that splits-out into LWBs versus any others is unknown. It seems logical that from a worldwide utilitarian perspective, pickup trucks would have more value/use in second- and third-world countries than wagons or Troopies. How many have been used, abused, and destroyed over the years is also unknown--but likely a very high number from the looks of the bashed ones still remaining.

So, another somewhat related question surfaces as to how many of those vehicles are still "on the road" today. Which is why we see efforts made to document existing serial numbers. But sadly, voluntary reporting has limited results, whether it's for frame numbers or engine serials, etc..

While FJ4X, or simply J4X, vehicles are certainly "no Ferrari," it is natural for collectors, as well as insurers, to wrap their heads around a number--the number actually produced, and the number still left. When you explore the world of exotic and rare collector automobiles, this question of numbers becomes a big part of the equation of ownership, demand, and value.

It would be nice if someday, a kindly Japanese gentleman, once a Toyota executive "in the know," would share some numbers with all of us. Until then, it's really anyone's guess as to the answer to your question.

Perhaps the more frequency this question comes up, we will get closer to a more-firm determination.

Anyway, that's how I look at it.
Just reading your very comprehensive comment from ten years ago. Based on that information, could I assume a "VIN" of FJ45406406 could indeed be for a 1985 year production? Going on your comment that Toyota was slow to switch to the 17 digit VIN system and the overall serial number range from 1980 to 1986 ran from 249198 to 421310, 406406 could be a 1985. My customer told me it's a 1985 but I said it would be have to be prior to 1980 if it did not have a 17 digit VIN. I believe I am wrong and it is a 1985. What do you think?
 
Kathy,

I guess you are directing your questions to me. As a new member you have several choices to communicate:

First as you are simply writing publicly, everyone here reads your comments.
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Third, you can privately message a member by clicking on their member name, and then clicking "Start Conversation" which you can then title a message and write out privately your thoughts.

Specific to your questions:

FJ45-406406 was constructed in March 1984. FJ45 models started that month with serial 405164 and ran thru 408629, all according to information published by Toyota. Your client or the original purchaser may have purchased the truck in 1985, the local licensing jurisdiction could have titled it in 1985 as a "1985 model," or someone is going by "hearsay." Also, it appears that when Toyota finally participated in the international "VIN" system, like many existing manufacturers, they simply incorporated their original serial numbering system into a compliant VIN numbering cataloging style--when possible. That is why Land Cruisers in the early eighties that were delivered for sale into the US received standard VIN numbers, while those produced for export to most other countries did not, and those received the continuing factory serial numbers.

Actual construction dates usually have no bearing on ownership, however acquiring parts may be influenced by ongoing changes in the production line and updated parts. Add to this the frequent substitution of parts over the years by intervening owners, lazy or incompetent mechanics, ultimate discontinuation of OEM parts, etc., and you have a recipe for confusion. Some of us are sticklers for accurate and authentic parts, others could care less. No matter, the Land Cruiser reputation was built on solid, heavy-duty, high-quality parts and construction, which is why there are so many older Land Cruisers still on the road. I believe that once you cheapen the original with poor quality replacement parts, you no longer have a Land Cruiser, but rather something less-than. My 2 cents.

HTH
 
Hey buddy, have always respected you and your input! I know my early 45 history, but you have reallly been an asset to this community with later model 45’s!!! My only issue, is you are mysterious, and never post, what Im pretty sure is a great collection!!! ??? Show us some 45 greatness!!🍺
 
Brian,

If'n you're ever down this way, let me know and you're always welcome, my friend. Yes, like you, I'm 45 obsessed and do own a few examples. As way of explanation: not mysterious or secretive; rather publicly private. Personally I choose to shy away from showing much of what I have out into "the cloud," but respect those who do and who devote endless hours to their craft and to their hobbies, sharing their knowledge and skills with others. As someone from a very early age with the "collector gene," I found that there's a delicate balance between being proud of what I've collected, and becoming a know-it-all braggart and show-off that most folks don't like. Better for me to be content with myself, than to risk inadvertently projecting any image of something I am not. No offense meant to anyone, just been my way of navigating this world.
 

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