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Now with about 5k on them, I am very happy and believe they will last a long time. Performance is fantastic and no noise.
 
TheGrrrrr said:
Now with about 5k on them, I am very happy and believe they will last a long time. Performance is fantastic and no noise.
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How hard was it to bleed the brakes after replacing the lines? Did you use a pressure bleeder?
 
Bleeding wasn’t hard, but I had an experienced mechanic doing most of the real work. He did use an electric pump of some sort.
 
TheGrrrrr said:
I do not know, but they done just fine in all kinds of flexed out situations.
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Ah fair enough. Hmmm idk I’m upgrading to 2725 springs.
 
jrmudder92 said:
Are these extended, or factory sizes?
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I believe they are factory length. I have them as well, the shock limits droop before that line has much of any tension on it in the rear. Haven't paid enough attention to the front to see if it stretches but I don't think it does from not having an issue yet.

If you want extended I believe you'll have to reach out to Crown for extended brake lines.
 
afgman786 said:
I believe they are factory length. I have them as well, the shock limits droop before that line has much of any tension on it in the rear. Haven't paid enough attention to the front to see if it stretches but I don't think it does from not having an issue yet.

If you want extended I believe you'll have to reach out to Crown for extended brake lines.
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Yea I found this kit. Will go this way. Just to make sure.

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'08-21 200 Series Toyota Land Cruiser SDHQ 6 Piece Brake Line Kit

The SDHQ Built 6 Piece Brake Line Kit for the 2008-2021 200 Series Toyota Land Cruiser is an improvement over your Land Cruiser's OEM brake lines.
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A couple things. The lines should help firmness, so if they don't that may be more a function of the ceramic pads. We should maybe talk about what you mean. Do you mean how aggressively they bite after a given pedal application? Or, do you mean the amount of travel needed to get them to 'activate'?

These two issues get conflated a lot. The master cylinder in these are very 'spongy' feeling, funky proportioning, and the system has a long travel and poor feel of the engagement. Then the truck weight is relatively high so it takes a long time to brake with factory pads.

  • You took the first step with an old system and got rid of any flex in the rubber lines. (I saw the line floating on the suspension so you might want to check each time you take off the wheel for abrasion on the metal and the weave on the line.)
  • The next step is to change the fluid. We have dot 3 stock and that is part of the problem. Performance fluids can significantly improve pedal feel, but just replacing and re-bleeding helps a lot.
  • Then the pad compounds play a role in this. The more 'aggressive' the pad, the less torque is needed. So a light pedal engagement is more effective and they tend to feel more consistent through the stroke.
I really disliked the long travel and low feel, and was ready to replace the master cylinder. But first I went to the 'TRD' pads in the rear and that alone made a huge difference. Then front pads and disks and now I'm very happy with the brakes. The truck brakes much more quickly and more stably. I still can feel the extended travel in the pedal, but the braking is so vastly improved I'll wait to change the MC.
 
TheGrrrrr said:
Bleeding wasn’t hard, but I had an experienced mechanic doing most of the real work. He did use an electric pump of some sort.
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Actually it appears it wasn't electric. You can see it in one of the photos.
 
Bunga said:
A couple things. The lines should help firmness, so if they don't that may be more a function of the ceramic pads. We should maybe talk about what you mean. Do you mean how aggressively they bite after a given pedal application? Or, do you mean the amount of travel needed to get them to 'activate'?

These two issues get conflated a lot. The master cylinder in these are very 'spongy' feeling, funky proportioning, and the system has a long travel and poor feel of the engagement. Then the truck weight is relatively high so it takes a long time to brake with factory pads.

  • You took the first step with an old system and got rid of any flex in the rubber lines. (I saw the line floating on the suspension so you might want to check each time you take off the wheel for abrasion on the metal and the weave on the line.)
  • The next step is to change the fluid. We have dot 3 stock and that is part of the problem. Performance fluids can significantly improve pedal feel, but just replacing and re-bleeding helps a lot.
  • Then the pad compounds play a role in this. The more 'aggressive' the pad, the less torque is needed. So a light pedal engagement is more effective and they tend to feel more consistent through the stroke.
I really disliked the long travel and low feel, and was ready to replace the master cylinder. But first I went to the 'TRD' pads in the rear and that alone made a huge difference. Then front pads and disks and now I'm very happy with the brakes. The truck brakes much more quickly and more stably. I still can feel the extended travel in the pedal, but the braking is so vastly improved I'll wait to change the MC.
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I hadn't thought about a different fluid, but maybe I'll give that a try. I'm pretty used to the feel now so I barely/rarely notice it, but it's definitely more travel than I like. For some reason these trucks and the 5th gen 4Runners have really soft brake feel. Very similar feel, which is strange given the differences in vehicle dynamics and brake system sizing.
 
I will say. I came from an lx470 and that peddle was amazing nice a firm and stout. But I think that the master cylinder was electric? So it was definitely odd getting used to a soft peddle.
 
I installed the Power Stop Z36 rotors and pads on my '08 about 22k miles ago. The ones I have are vented and slotted. I've used them on highway and 4x4 trails. During the highway trips the rig was fully loaded with food, clothes, books, toys, and bikes on a hitch-mounted carrier. They've performed very well especially in several close calls. I'm not a mechanic nor brake expert but they were easy to put on. So far the pads are doing great. Due to the price, I will have zero buyer's remorse when I replace them for a new set.

For those who will install these, you must do a proper break-in procedure after installation. Don't forget to use high-quality anti-seize and caliper grease where applicable.

I had no frustration or issues with installation and the break-in procedure. I installed new pads for the hand-brake at the same time - this was frustrating.

As you probably know, use your downshifting to limit the time your foot is on the brake pedal, especially in the summer. It'll help prevent rotor warp.
 
RT Cruiser said:
I installed the Power Stop Z36 rotors and pads on my '08 about 22k miles ago. The ones I have are vented and slotted. I've used them on highway and 4x4 trails. During the highway trips the rig was fully loaded with food, clothes, books, toys, and bikes on a hitch-mounted carrier. They've performed very well especially in several close calls. I'm not a mechanic nor brake expert but they were easy to put on. So far the pads are doing great. Due to the price, I will have zero buyer's remorse when I replace them for a new set.

For those who will install these, you must do a proper break-in procedure after installation. Don't forget to use high-quality anti-seize and caliper grease where applicable.

I had no frustration or issues with installation and the break-in procedure. I installed new pads for the hand-brake at the same time - this was frustrating.

As you probably know, use your downshifting to limit the time your foot is on the brake pedal, especially in the summer. It'll help prevent rotor warp.
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I have the z36 on my lx470. 4 months in with pads, rotors, caliper kit.

I offroad with full weight but my last set of brakes were smoking and bluing up by the time I reached the bottom of the mountain even with gearing down even with down shifting. These z36 didn't smoke or blue but I think they look a little too shiny now... maybe glazed pads? I'll try to take them off to inspect the pads when it stops raining.

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I wouldn't bother unless the grip isn't there.

I don't care for ceramic, as I described above. But the feature of ceramic (other than low noise/low dust/low braking torque and bite) is that they don't really "glaze"! They really can't, and if you truly think they glazed then get another set of pads, hopefully metallic, to replace them since they cannot really be unglazed...
 
Bunga said:
I wouldn't bother unless the grip isn't there.

I don't care for ceramic, as I described above. But the feature of ceramic (other than low noise/low dust/low braking torque and bite) is that they don't really "glaze"! They really can't, and if you truly think they glazed then get another set of pads, hopefully metallic, to replace them since they cannot really be unglazed...
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They weren't glazed.. just barely broken in even after 500 km. I've driven them for another 3000km and they look fine now.
 
Hi @TheGrrrrr , any additional info on the brakes after several years? Going to start towing an airstream soon and am strongly considering this setup! thanks
 
I've been extremely happy with this setup. I will say that when I had the axles out to do my regear I did notice some of the pads had cracked, but it hand't impacted performance. I replaced them anyway and the 2nd set are all good. My mechanic and I both think the cracking was due to abusing the hell out of them on a long mountain trail descent 2 days after I installed them. I rode the brakes pretty hard that day because I just wasn't fully comfortable with engine braking at that point. I didn't notice the hairline cracks until December of 2021 and had been very pleased with the performance to that point. I didn't hesitate to replace them with the same and they continue to be something I never really think or worry about.
 
TheGrrrrr said:
I've been extremely happy with this setup. I will say that when I had the axles out to do my regear I did notice some of the pads had cracked, but it hand't impacted performance. I replaced them anyway and the 2nd set are all good. My mechanic and I both think the cracking was due to abusing the hell out of them on a long mountain trail descent 2 days after I installed them. I rode the brakes pretty hard that day because I just wasn't fully comfortable with engine braking at that point. I didn't notice the hairline cracks until December of 2021 and had been very pleased with the performance to that point. I didn't hesitate to replace them with the same and they continue to be something I never really think or worry about.
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Awesome, thank you!
 
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