Philosophical issues for FJ40 restoration

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After being nothing but a voyeur for the past year on this board, I finally got a 1977 FJ40. I've been wanting one for years and when my wife was preoccupied with some other stuff, went out and just bought it. I figured I'd be sleeping in the garage anyway with this car. Anyway, my plans are not ambitious, it'll be a weekend driver around town and around some farm land we work on. The previous owner was pretty good about maintenance and did major replacements over the past 5 years ie: a rebuilt 2F motor with only 20k on it and differentials, axels, transfer cases, radiator etc have all been replaced etc. Interior was all redone with parts etc from SOR. The previous owner did repaint it, and as expected there are areas of rust under the paint at all the expected weak spots, but given the price and the mechanicals being pretty sound, I still jumped in. The FJ on my test drive and look over ran just peachy.
With all that said, I've attached a few photos, the rust isn't bad, but seems to be coming from the inside out and hasn't broken through the paint yet. Unfortunately, I have no experience in body work and mostly like to work on the mechanicals of the car. I don't have a big garage to do work on myself so any body work will need to be farmed out. I've read enough posts on get the best rust free FJ you can afford and blah blah blah, but I couldn't wait any longer and just grew attached to this particular FJ.
Thus, my question to all the wiser people out there is, if my intention and philosophy with this and other cars is just to enjoy them, sink money in only to a certain point to keep it fun, then at what point do I start doing something about the rust and what's the most efficient way to approach things? Should I just wait until the rust really breaks through, looks incredibly horrible, and then get some pre-stamped steel quarter panels etc, cut everything out and have them welded on and repaint the whole thing? Or do I tackle it each spot at a time a nickle and dime myself forever? Doors at some point as well as other parts will and have started to have some internal rust etc.
As far as I can tell, the tub is solid and the PO did undercoat the car well so that's not the issue. You may be able to see some of the bubbling on the photos and by all means it's NOT that bad, but given time, I'm sure things will worsen.
I'm not prissy about my cars, I believe they're meant to be driven and enjoyed. I do, however, want this FJ to keeps it's classic style and appearance and don't want to do any "modifications" to trick it out or diamond plate the whole thing. Nor am I going to let it totally rust to pieces, but do want it to look like a classic old style FJ that is treated right, but not pampered. Also, my wallet won't let me do it. I don't think I could spend $20k on a rebuild of that sort, but can spend bits of $$ at a time to keep it from being ratty. If that was the case, I would have just kept my old pick up and let it rust out completely.
So my question to all the experts is when is too much and when is too little and what's the best way to approach things given my parameters.

Sorry for the long long ranting first post, but I've waited so long to actually write something after reading all your posts over these years! You all are way too much fun and keep me up all night.
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Congrats!

I often think about how much $ I should put into my 40, if it's worth it, and if it's a good investment.

First of all, I love my 40. I spend in between 1-4 hours a day researching on MUD and other websites (while I'm at work) When I'm not at work, I work on it about 6-10 hours a day (no kids or obligations, yet!) I really enjoy working on it and reading about it, so in a way, it's kind of like entertainment for me. If I wasn't spending money on my 40, I would be spending money on a different hobby.

As far as the investment... Not a great one, but not a bad one. I plan on being about $15-20k into my rig The thing is though, is that I see slightly used Wranglers for sale for $15-25k. My 40 will not depreciate with age and mileage, but a Wrangler will (up until a certain point). But when I'm done with my car, it will be like brand new, and exactly how I want it.

I try to buy used parts whenever I can also. Its really easy to lose money buying new parts. I bought a used H55 and figured out I could not use it with my setup. I sold it 2 weeks later for what I bought it for. This would not work with new parts. Worst case scenario, I could part my car out if I had to recoup money for some reason.

That's just my input. Have fun, take your time, read a lot, and enjoy!!!
 
Welcome to the Insanity! Well the bezel is flipped. From the photo I would say the bib is about gone at the bottom. Being in your location I would wager salt has taken its toll in a lot more places than seen but who knows. It does look like a nice ride but not trying to burst your bubble paint hides many flaws and bondo? well.....get a magnet and just do a walk around. In this community these truck are known as 40s or FJ40s. FJ in general these days refers to the newer FJ Cruisers. But it is yours and you have the right to call it as you please lol. You should hear what I call mine sometimes! Good luck with your purchase and I do hope the Rust Gremlins are in submission because they do love wallets and check books lol.

Rob
 
Everything is repairable. Just depends on what you want to do. There is a finite number of 40s out there and, speaking philosophically, they will loves you for many many years so long as you treat them right, keep the rust at bay and the oil fresh. Welcome :flipoff2:
 
Welcome, I´ve had my 1970 fj40 for 5 years now, and like you, I can´t afford to spend a bunch of money at once, so i have taken my time, but the nice thing about these old warriors is that they are thankfull, any dollar you spend on them will make them better.

this forum is full of wise imputs, everyday there is something new to learn.

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All wise info. above. I bought my'75 in 1995. The entire drive train had been redone, well, but I did have a few rust issues. My thought was I wanted a drivable, reliable truck that I could enjoy driving. I gave it a homemade paintjob a year later. It looked fantastic and I got many compliments on my "cherry" cruiser. I did not do a frame off restoration but rather a "It'll do for now" job. Here we are 17 years later and I'm just now tackling the visable rust issues..again. The truck runs great..(knock...knock.. on wood..) I guess what I'm saying is, I'd rather drive it than worry about a restoration. I kind of just take a panel at a time and repair it, it seems easier to do a little at time , as money will allow, rather than take on a major project. My .02
 
Just enjoy it and make repairs as you see fit. Since you just purchased it and it has that new FJ smell still take it out on trips, trails and anything else your heart desires. I would wait to make your decision on the rust issues until the new wears off. I did the opposite on mine and made it look good before running good now It.s been a year and I haveyet to drive it.
 
I'm up against the same question. I've come to be comfortable with the idea that body repairs fall into the category of maintenance. If the "maintenance" has not been done then there is $$$ catch up work to do. Personally I tend to try to stop the rust at the expense of the overall appearance. I remove bubbly paint and all the rust I can get to easily, spray it with red oxide primer and then soak that with oil. The bubbled up rust will just indicates areas that will hold water behind the paint and rot way faster due to the fact that they can not dry out. It does not look good- but in the long run it will! I just value the ride to much to be more concerned with looks "in the mean time."

I first have to fix the leaks in the roof- then I can get on to the resulting rust. However it is now time to decide what to do about the paint. The primer thing is just a temp hold. I need to do something that I can easily apply after a repair. But I want the end product to be well protected and look decent. If there were a good paint in a spray can I might go that way but I have not been able to find anything decent here in Japan in a color that I like.

In you case if your going to farm out the work i'd suggest finding a body shop that will take your truck in once a year when things are slow. develop a good long term relationship with them just as one would hope to do with a mechanic.

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There's a thread about this fj40 somewhere. Maybe in the Classifieds. From East SF Bay area, right?

I didn't notice the catalytic converter before. That's a patch job to get it to pass CA smog. I'd take that off and give it a full tune up.

Nice rig. Try to find someone to match your paint and put it in rattle cans. Then you can fix the really bad spots, like the front of your bezel right away. You might consider just replacing that and repainting the donor to match.
 
Love it and never leave it!!!!! Do what you want to it to make it fun. If the rust doesn't hurt right now enjoy it. Eventually you'll get sick of it and that is when its time to make the repairs. Tune up and valve adjustment make driving it fun, but it looks amazing! Welcome and trust me the wife will eventually like it!
 
I agree on the piecemeal and matching rattle can approach while you drive it.
I'll bet that you can get a replacement for that front panel fairly inexpensively, clean it up, rattle can it, and move on. Someday, when you've got all of it fixed, treat yourself to a new total paint job (if you think you need it).
 
my $0.02

I picked up my 73 FJ40 in Novemeber and have been slowing making her road ready.
I don't care about the paint or body work because she is all original and needs suspension, tires, and brake work.
I first addressed a hole in the oil pan, some rust issue in the cab, very minor, and under the gas tanks, more susbtantial. Then I checked th electrical and got it 100%. She runs & she drives good, but needs a tune up.

I'll jump in to the suspension, tires, brakes, and tune up in a month or so when work settles down.

Maybe in 5 years or so I'll look in to a full resto...picture below

So I guess I'm suggetsing taking it slow and tackling what bothers you the most (the paint and body dont bother me right know) after all it's your rig.

 
Like others said, drive it a little while until you are familiar with what needs fixing. Start with the mechanics to make it safe and reliable. Then worry about the body rust unless the rust is eating away at your frame.
 
Everything all of these guys said is true. The first things I did when I got my good old rig was, Oil change, valve adjustment, general tune up and changed all gear oils etc. Then came the wipers as it was monsoon season here. Next was tires that was needed bad, then I had to replace the tranny and transfer case. Fortunately the 2F was a good one. It still has a few leaks I have not got to yet but runs strong with no oil usage or smoke and still has the stock carb and stock point distributor. The body and rust? Well that was another story. The tub was in really good shape but the cowl needed a lot of attention. It had a soft top on it when I got it and a guy and his wife could shower in that puppy when it rained. It had no window glass in the doors. had to do a complete rewire and on and on and on. I first purchased an old arc welder and power tools and started digging out old bondo and making replacement metal repairs. Just purchase a AC/DC Wire Welder and still doing body repairs. As others have said Drive it and work as you go as this old truck is our only vehicle and I make repairs primer and rattle can on a regular basis just so it don't look like a rolling junk shop for the wife. The yellow is Rattle can Caterpiller Yellow made in Japan. Pylox is the brand and I buy it at ACE Hardware here in the Philippines and seems to be very durible and the good part is; If it gets scratched it is easy to repair. Some day I may finish everything but who knows. If I don't, well it is still mine and my wife loves it and I enjoy driving this 40 more than any car I have ever owned and I have had some nice new ones over the years but taste and time changes as we get older. Enjoy it Drive it do a few repairs at a time and drive it some more!:steer:
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Just enjoy it and make repairs as you see fit. Since you just purchased it and it has that new FJ smell still take it out on trips, trails and anything else your heart desires. I would wait to make your decision on the rust issues until the new wears off. I did the opposite on mine and made it look good before running good now It.s been a year and I have yet to drive it.

don't fall into this trap - enjoy it for some first - then you will also know better what you really want from the rig

welcome :cheers:
 
I'm not a good model to follow - my wife bought me my first 40 for my 40th birthday and I drove it 2 miles and started tearing it apart with my dad...

2.5 years later
frame off
probably $17K
COUNTLESS HOURS WITH MY DAD (a great thing)

We finally drove it again last weekend. I wouldn't change anything about how we approached it, but it was a very long road getting here.
 
Thanks so much for all the input...this is exactly what I was hoping for and it's really funny to see the whole spectrum of responses. I did pick up this FJ40 in the East Bay. Had my little brother load it up on a flatbed and shipped it to MI from CA. The FJ40 was in CA for most of it's life so the overall rust isn't horrible, but I knew that the paint job was hiding some rust spots. Luckily, the mechanicals were in good order and 3-4 days of driving has given me much better perspective on the rig.
I think this spring/summer will be just drive and have fun and let the rust maintenance declare itself later. I've got a nice space in the garage for it and for now it'll be protected from the corrosive salt and junk here in the midwest. It finally hit about 60 degrees here this week and in 24 hours of driving it got, 3 or 4 people stopping to ask about it.
The nice thing about being in MI is that catalytic convt isn't an issue here, but it just passed smog in CA this Nov. Also, I think the short term approach with matched paint in rattle cans is a great idea just so I can deal with the rust on the bezel before it goes totally ape...at that point, I'll probably just look for a donor one and paint it...by then I might have the money to reconsider a whole new paint job anyway.
Also, I've found a few very nice guys around here who restore cars for a hobby and have started to get some input too. The nice thing about being near D-town is that everyone is into cars and restoration so I have a ton of resources. What's funny is that as expected classic restored Big 3 cars and muscle cars abound, but this is one of the only FJ40's around these parts.
I might have to learn some body stuff over time and although the bondo thing is not my thing, my question still is, bust out smaller spots of rust and spot repair, or just cut out huge swatches or replace panels one by one as the problem areas over time?
 
It looks like you've got a good rig there. Not rust free... But not a rust bucket. Rust free is like a unicorn in these parts... And in six months it'll have some rust. I'd drive it, and see what you if you can track down a better bib. Rather than color matched spray bombs, I'd likely just paint it black, and then paint the sills, bib, and hood with a small spray gun all at the same time. I'd do what I could to slow the rust, but mostly just enjoy it.
 
Thanks for the feedback. BTW, this was the controversial FJ40 up in Walnut Creek, I did read the posts on it and the only reason I jumped in (I would agree with everyone who warned about the rust/paint/"restoration" issues) but I got the price WAY down from the $11k+ they originally wanted. I figured for under $7-8k or so I would take the plunge and just deal with the rust and all the other issues that were mentioned over time. It was sold by a broker etc and I think the owner was a gentleman with $$ who didn't want to be bothered by the hassle of selling etc. Since there were lots of looks etc, but no buyers, I just sat and waited and waited. It ran well enough to know that I could probably just drive it around for the year and slowly start planning on dealing with rust/body issues when it came up...thus the initial philosophical question....finding the best project one can afford is always the best approach, but also getting something to have some fun is often lost, when I become a rich man and can just work on cars all day, I'll take on a true project car and this one might end up being it or I'll just use this one start parting it out if it becomes a huge mess.
So I'm off to enjoy it and appreciate all the input!
 

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