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I did a full dress rehearsal with the newly widened frame...
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But that old Frame just isn't right... It fits comfortable around the engine now, but...
The rear bod mounts are un-mountable because they rear of the frame is now too wide.
The rise over the front axle is too high as it is about 7 cm higher than the bottom of the oil pan.
The frame has lots of blemishes, which could probably be fixed, but also lots of internal rust, which probably can't
So... I started looking closely at what the right frame might look like. Lower here... higher there, narrower in the back... It' almost looked like I needed straight frame rails....
The rear bod mounts are un-mountable because they rear of the frame is now too wide.
The rise over the front axle is too high as it is about 7 cm higher than the bottom of the oil pan.
The frame has lots of blemishes, which could probably be fixed, but also lots of internal rust, which probably can't
So... I started looking closely at what the right frame might look like. Lower here... higher there, narrower in the back... It' almost looked like I needed straight frame rails....
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So, I went to the hardware store and spent $15 on the straightest pair of 12ft 2x6's I could find, and built this...
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I am thinking it through right now, but this might work...
+ve's
- new 2x6 3/16" frame rails would be easy to build, strong, and rust-free
- Bottom of rail is now almost level with bottom of oil pan. Axles can never be higher than that anyway, so this has the right mount of 'Rise' over the axles.
- The body sits quite a bit higher providing plenty of room for the stock engine without any engine mods.
- Body mounts will fit.
- "lower" frame rails for the rear bed will offer greater cargo capacity.
-ve's
- Possible regulatory hurdles with a home built frame
- driveline below bottom of rails, eliminating any 'flat belly' options.
Presently I see more +ve's than -ve's.
+ve's
- new 2x6 3/16" frame rails would be easy to build, strong, and rust-free
- Bottom of rail is now almost level with bottom of oil pan. Axles can never be higher than that anyway, so this has the right mount of 'Rise' over the axles.
- The body sits quite a bit higher providing plenty of room for the stock engine without any engine mods.
- Body mounts will fit.
- "lower" frame rails for the rear bed will offer greater cargo capacity.
-ve's
- Possible regulatory hurdles with a home built frame
- driveline below bottom of rails, eliminating any 'flat belly' options.
Presently I see more +ve's than -ve's.
arnott1t
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I like the plus side for sure. It
Sure makes things nice and simple.
The bendy parts of stock frames see to be there to allow the bodies to be low and axles to tuck up. This likely won't be a big deal. The only thing I'd consider is raising the rear portion to not impeded rear axle up travel. The front is limited by the engine but the rear isn't as constrained.
Sure makes things nice and simple.
The bendy parts of stock frames see to be there to allow the bodies to be low and axles to tuck up. This likely won't be a big deal. The only thing I'd consider is raising the rear portion to not impeded rear axle up travel. The front is limited by the engine but the rear isn't as constrained.
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Did a little research on the regulatory side of this project....
Insurance Bureau of Canada assigns VIN. $467 application fee, and an application form. They research to ensure none of the parts are stolen, and they personally install the VIN plate to the vehcile.
http://www.ibc.ca/en/Insurance_Crime/Prevention_Investigation/Alberta_ReVINing.asp
Then... Once vin assigned, it goes for a Alberta 'Salvage Inspection'. It won't have a 'salvage' title, but the inspection used is the 'Salvage Vehicle' inspection.
http://www.transportation.alberta.ca/2823.htm
Those two steps are pretty clear and somewhat black and white... Then comes insurance...
I called an insurance company, and they said they that insurance on home built vehicles requires an appraisal. Coverage is based on the appraisal, is not guaranteed, but nor is there an automatic denial of such insurance. This process, seems a bit more murky.
Insurance Bureau of Canada assigns VIN. $467 application fee, and an application form. They research to ensure none of the parts are stolen, and they personally install the VIN plate to the vehcile.
http://www.ibc.ca/en/Insurance_Crime/Prevention_Investigation/Alberta_ReVINing.asp
Then... Once vin assigned, it goes for a Alberta 'Salvage Inspection'. It won't have a 'salvage' title, but the inspection used is the 'Salvage Vehicle' inspection.
http://www.transportation.alberta.ca/2823.htm
Those two steps are pretty clear and somewhat black and white... Then comes insurance...
I called an insurance company, and they said they that insurance on home built vehicles requires an appraisal. Coverage is based on the appraisal, is not guaranteed, but nor is there an automatic denial of such insurance. This process, seems a bit more murky.
DamoPeru
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Murky and recurring I reckon, likely to change in the future even.
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I finally managed to speak to the authorities at Alberta Transportation to get some clarity on home built frames in Alberta.
They are definitely allowed, and will require the Insurance Bureau of Canada to assign a new Alberta VIN. The vehicle will have to meet 2014 Alberta Traffic Safety standards, which include center high mount tail light and daytime running headlights, which would be additional requirements over the 1986 Chassis that I was originally building this on.
The frame would be designed by me, and I would be responsible for the design. I could get an engineer to sign off on it, but that's not required. I do need to provide the design specs (sizes and such) to the inspector. The inspector will assure that the frame is actually built to my own specifications that I provide to him. It also has to be welded by an Alberta ticketed Journeyman welder who is willing to put their 'approval' on the frame, and the inspecting shop will need to keep a copy of that approval for his records.
After that, it's between me and my insurance company to get insurance on it.
And that's directly from the guy in charge of the program at Alberta Transportation.
New frame it is!
They are definitely allowed, and will require the Insurance Bureau of Canada to assign a new Alberta VIN. The vehicle will have to meet 2014 Alberta Traffic Safety standards, which include center high mount tail light and daytime running headlights, which would be additional requirements over the 1986 Chassis that I was originally building this on.
The frame would be designed by me, and I would be responsible for the design. I could get an engineer to sign off on it, but that's not required. I do need to provide the design specs (sizes and such) to the inspector. The inspector will assure that the frame is actually built to my own specifications that I provide to him. It also has to be welded by an Alberta ticketed Journeyman welder who is willing to put their 'approval' on the frame, and the inspecting shop will need to keep a copy of that approval for his records.
After that, it's between me and my insurance company to get insurance on it.
And that's directly from the guy in charge of the program at Alberta Transportation.
New frame it is!
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So I bought some 6x2x0.188 tubes and cut them to 4470mm, and tacked them together with some angle iron at 862mm Outside to outside dimensions...
I really like the fit. Lots of room for engine... no engine mods required. Body fits around the driveline. I can install the clutch slave with the driveline in place.
I really like the fit. Lots of room for engine... no engine mods required. Body fits around the driveline. I can install the clutch slave with the driveline in place.
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Only mod appears to be a recess cut into the passenger footwell for the turbo downpipe. Initial eyeball measurement make it seem like that should be below the heater box, so it should work.
lowenbrau
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I'm sure it is the angle of the photo but it looks like the turbo dump will interfere with the tranny adapter. It's amazing how easy it is to make an engine/tranny/axle body combo that were never meant to work together, play nicely simply by threatening them with two big sticks. You should easily be able to finish this by the new year and humiliate Tyler.
I'm inspired to also do something radical. Perhaps adding some coil spacers to a Sequoia or something.
I'm inspired to also do something radical. Perhaps adding some coil spacers to a Sequoia or something.
I can't believe that there isn't a decent frame with a suspension system in place that wouldn't fit your criteria?
This looks a little bit rigid to me. I'll drop by for cold refreshment in 2 weeks and check this out. J
This looks a little bit rigid to me. I'll drop by for cold refreshment in 2 weeks and check this out. J
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I was shooting for 'a whole lot rigid', not just a 'little bit'. Any frame twist concerns from 53 kN-m should now be mitigated with these giant frame rails. Well, ok, 53 kN-m will twist a lot of steel, but hopefully something else breaks before the frame twists.
You are always welcome to stop by again!
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I started mocking up the axles. This is a test fit only. Brake mounting plates not tacked onto rear axle pending arrival of the truss. I cut spindles off what will become the front axle and test fit of one side to get measurements to build custom brake caliper bracket and to verify if factory axle tube will be long enough or whether I will need to do a tube extension on the long side.
After taking the pictures, I did some more research and confirmed that the front rotor needs to be mounted to the back side of the hub... not slipped on over the hub like it is on the rear axle.
After taking the pictures, I did some more research and confirmed that the front rotor needs to be mounted to the back side of the hub... not slipped on over the hub like it is on the rear axle.
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The 14Bolt spindles are... large. This is a picture of the cross section... I cut them off right through the spindle itself. Spindles are friction welded onto the tubes.
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And I have been spending some quality time with the tape measure and all my fancy Crane Hi Clearance and Dynatrac Stub Hub parts designing the caliper brackets to hold my massive Ford F450 calipers to the 14" GMC P30 rotors...
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Final position of the brake pads...
