Really interested in the payload and static/dynamic roof load ratings. I do like that even the base model has an integrated brake controller and 7 pin / 4 pin connectors installed. The connectors do sit very low however.
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What an absolute noob
6k row capacity, hopefully that also means a pretty good payload. These are designed to be used and abused so I know they wouldn’t skimp out on that.
After selling my Cruisers… I Got a 2022 Sienna
Towing with its 3500 lbs max tow capacity from 1/2 the HP and 1/2 Ft/Lbs (approximately)of the 250 LandCruiser…can be done.
With comparison to what 3/4 ton pick ups used to be… the new 250 LC should be able to tow moderately.
I’m excited to see the first towing video
Bet that payload is similar to the new tacoma
Towing with its 3500 lbs max tow capacity from 1/2 the HP and 1/2 Ft/Lbs (approximately)of the 250 LandCruiser…can be done.
With comparison to what 3/4 ton pick ups used to be… the new 250 LC should be able to tow moderately.
I’m excited to see the first towing video
Bet that payload is similar to the new tacoma
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I was simply Emphasizing… I’ve got a Hybrid. That Hybrid is impressive, if you have one you would understand that.Tell me more, PLEASE. Here or direct PM.
Before that.. my Built 100 was the family Trip mobile.
I just did a road trip and packed as much, as I could with my 100 series…. And the Sienna did exceptionally well at 70mph.
I’m sure the 250 payload will be great as well.
Now mix the 100 and the Hybrid together.
I originally posted this in the "4 banger" thread; this thread is a better fit.
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I made this table to better understand potential payload savings from the 250 hybrid's fuel efficiency for remote touring.
It uses three hypothetical payload scenarios (1500, 1600, 1700 lbs) for the 250 in order to (1) calculate effective payload (available payload after fuel weight) for 500 and 1000 mile range fuel weights, and (2) compare that effective payload across the series, given their MPG and payloads, from 80 through 250.
The fuel weight and payload savings of the hybrid are considerable, particularly if battery weight does not toll payload below 1500 lbs or so. We'll see.
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I made this table to better understand potential payload savings from the 250 hybrid's fuel efficiency for remote touring.
It uses three hypothetical payload scenarios (1500, 1600, 1700 lbs) for the 250 in order to (1) calculate effective payload (available payload after fuel weight) for 500 and 1000 mile range fuel weights, and (2) compare that effective payload across the series, given their MPG and payloads, from 80 through 250.
The fuel weight and payload savings of the hybrid are considerable, particularly if battery weight does not toll payload below 1500 lbs or so. We'll see.
| Series/Year | Est. Comb. MPG | Payload | Fuel Weight / 500 miles range | Pounds of Effective Payload after 500 Mile Range Fuel Weight | Fuel Weight / 1000 miles range | Pounds of Effective Payload after 1000 Mile Range Fuel Weight |
| 80/1992 | 11 | 1,930 | 277.27 | 1,652.73 | 554.55 | 1,375.45 |
| 100/2002 | 13 | 1,745 | 234.62 | 1,510.38 | 469.23 | 1,275.77 |
| 200/2020 | 15 | 1,570 | 203.33 | 1,366.67 | 406.67 | 1,163.33 |
| 250/2024 | 27 | 1,700 | 112.96 | 1,587.04 | 225.93 | 1,474.07 |
| 250/2024 | 27 | 1,600 | 112.96 | 1,487.04 | 225.93 | 1,374.07 |
| 250/2024 | 27 | 1,500 | 112.96 | 1,387.04 | 225.93 | 1,274.07 |
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Toyota quietly took that 27mpg rating off their site.
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Read the post above.
What don't you understand?
One early supposed leak had the curb weight at 50lbs less than the LC300. It likely shares the same GVWR as the LC300 because they are nearly identical rolling chassis. Based on that - I'd guess payload is pretty close to the LC300 adjusted for difference in curb weights between them. I think a reasonable guess would be 1600lbs plus or minus about 100lbs.
The trouble with comparing to old models is that the ratings likely are not the same. But, TBH the payload is pretty meaningless in general anyway. I don't think anyone including Toyota engineers would put 2k lbs in the back of an LC80 and the back of a Tundra and tell you that the LC80 can safely haul the weight better despite the LC80 having 500lbs more payload rating. The same is true for a 5th gen 4Runner vs LC200. 4Runner has a higher payload - but in the real world would not haul as much weight safely IMO. I think it is often limited by a torque limit on some drivetrain component. The 4Runners had a payload reduction on models with a rear locker pointing to the rear axle torque limit setting the payload max. I don't know what else factors in. All I can really say is that it doesn't appear to match up to real world capacity to haul weight.
The trouble with comparing to old models is that the ratings likely are not the same. But, TBH the payload is pretty meaningless in general anyway. I don't think anyone including Toyota engineers would put 2k lbs in the back of an LC80 and the back of a Tundra and tell you that the LC80 can safely haul the weight better despite the LC80 having 500lbs more payload rating. The same is true for a 5th gen 4Runner vs LC200. 4Runner has a higher payload - but in the real world would not haul as much weight safely IMO. I think it is often limited by a torque limit on some drivetrain component. The 4Runners had a payload reduction on models with a rear locker pointing to the rear axle torque limit setting the payload max. I don't know what else factors in. All I can really say is that it doesn't appear to match up to real world capacity to haul weight.
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Tundra Gen 2.5 with 5.7
Lexus Gx 460 (Certified used Warranty is exceptional)
Land Cruiser 250
These are the vehicles I’m leaning towards for my next vehicle.
The most expensive would likely end up being the 4cyl LC 250… yet have the best Fuel economy.
The GX is similar to my 100 I miss and it’s a good middle ground. Truck like performance and a v8 no nonsense suv
Then the Tundra, Big burley and awesome. I would keep it likely Stock condition, not interested in a Bro Truck.
Not sure what plan will be, so I keep reading and test driving. Thinking of Expensive payments and fuel cost for future.
(Payment and Fuel payment per month)
Ps
New 4runner could be in the running
And I like the 4cyl hybrid… only if it’s much better fuel economy.
Lexus Gx 460 (Certified used Warranty is exceptional)
Land Cruiser 250
These are the vehicles I’m leaning towards for my next vehicle.
The most expensive would likely end up being the 4cyl LC 250… yet have the best Fuel economy.
The GX is similar to my 100 I miss and it’s a good middle ground. Truck like performance and a v8 no nonsense suv
Then the Tundra, Big burley and awesome. I would keep it likely Stock condition, not interested in a Bro Truck.
Not sure what plan will be, so I keep reading and test driving. Thinking of Expensive payments and fuel cost for future.
(Payment and Fuel payment per month)
Ps
New 4runner could be in the running
And I like the 4cyl hybrid… only if it’s much better fuel economy.
That's my expectation too, 1500-1700 lbs, for the same reason (the 300 series and their shared chassis).
I've always treated payload as a tolerance warning from engineers; I've assumed that it's the weight limit that they designed for, beyond which risks of parts failures are unacceptably high. And, that's different than how safely or well the vehicle may handle and perform under said load.
It's curious how the factors determining payload are so unclear. It would make sense that it's case-by-case determination of the weakest component among various vehicle systems, where the tolerance of a single component determines overall payload.
I agree - it seems like it would be the weakest component. I just can't seem to figure out for example Tacoma and Tundra having close overlapping payloads. The Tundra running gear is just so much heavier duty. Especially comparing the 10.5 rear axle to a Tacoma 8.7 or a 4Runner 8.2. The smaller axles are incredibly impressive as well - I've yet to see any report of anyone breaking a 4Runner 8.2 rear axle shaft ever. I've only ever heard of one rear 8.2 diff breaking teeth off and that was on aftermarket gears so I don't really count it. Who knows how well they were setup.
The Tundra low rating almost has to be something to do with the soft spring rates or something non-drivetrain related I think. The wheel bearings are huge. The chassis is really heavy. Tires have lots of excess load rating. I'm not sure what else there is to be a limit other than the relatively soft springs.
Thread resurrect…..But unfortunately not as a discussion of roof payload.
Most of the below is focused on the Overtrail as I’d like hit the mountains with great on road/fire road/get to my favorite fishing spot(s) capability. In an ideal world (maybe) drag along a Travel Trailer like an Opus-15 or an InTech O-V-R. I have no illusion that at GX will be a world-class TV (Tow Vehicle). I’ve had dedicated tow rigs and the GX is definitely a compromise, but might work for a do-it-all vehicle.
So, here is my running first pass #’s. I did not bother to try to guesstimate specifics for F/R axle loads.
OGBENO posted the GX550 US/Canada Owners Manual (thank you). Page 552 has GX Payload. 1,545lb on Overtrail (18” wheels) and is significantly reduced to 1,235lb for Luxury/22” wheels. TWILLY guess was in the right range for the Overtrail.
1,545lb is useful in a light duty (towing) SUV. I was scouring the Manual for hitch weight limit. It specified range of 9% - 11% of trailer weight so is aligned with the normal 10% of trailer weight guidance.
Page 186 has the GCWR which ranges from 13,700lb to 15,165lb for the Overtrail. Images of payload and GCWR below.
Looking at payload with a 6,000lb Travel Trailer and an Overtrail @ a proper 600lb to hitch weight (10%) leaves ~945lb of load for pax/bags. Not great, probably OK with being deliberate and taking only what is needed. The short GX wheelbase and soft springs will be definitely limiting and require care and being deliberate when towing.
Working backwards from 15,165lb (Overtrail GCWR) less 8,000lb Trailer less 1,545lb max payload leads to a vehicle curb weight of at least 5,620lb. Once we see real door jam stickers will have the actual vehicle weight capacity.
For comparison, I used to pull a 31 foot ~8,000lb Travel Trailer with a K2500 Suburban (with custom tuned 8.1L V8). 4 children, our stuff, bicycles etc. Went full out to get lot’s of seats, motor, bunks and payload. That Suburban was a fantastic towing setup with 130” wheelbase and ~2,900lb of payload and a 17,000lb GCWR to work with. It also got 10 - 11 mpg unloaded, surprisingly it got 7-8 mpg towing. Another surprise is it was ~5,900lb curb weight, not that much higher than the GX. When properly setup with my WDH it was a very comfortable tow and handled the trailer, my family and our gear well. Obviously here I’m not looking to buy another 3/4 ton Chevy and want to go with smaller (and much nicer) truck, lighter TT, shorter TT and way less stuff (children are mostly out on their own now).
I know most people won’t bother to do the math on payload/hitch load or axle loading. The 18” and 20” wheels have a little room to work with. With the 22” wheels the GX will be @ payload limit very quickly (like my Tacoma).
I am glad Toyota did not every GX offering with the unsolvable combination of ‘can tow 6,500lb, but payload is a whopping 1,200lb’ like my 2006 Tacoma. It was a lousy way to pull anything over 3,000lb in all cases. I’m very interested in the payload of the LC250 to see where it lands on the First Edition and Land Cruiser trims.
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Most of the below is focused on the Overtrail as I’d like hit the mountains with great on road/fire road/get to my favorite fishing spot(s) capability. In an ideal world (maybe) drag along a Travel Trailer like an Opus-15 or an InTech O-V-R. I have no illusion that at GX will be a world-class TV (Tow Vehicle). I’ve had dedicated tow rigs and the GX is definitely a compromise, but might work for a do-it-all vehicle.
So, here is my running first pass #’s. I did not bother to try to guesstimate specifics for F/R axle loads.
OGBENO posted the GX550 US/Canada Owners Manual (thank you). Page 552 has GX Payload. 1,545lb on Overtrail (18” wheels) and is significantly reduced to 1,235lb for Luxury/22” wheels. TWILLY guess was in the right range for the Overtrail.
1,545lb is useful in a light duty (towing) SUV. I was scouring the Manual for hitch weight limit. It specified range of 9% - 11% of trailer weight so is aligned with the normal 10% of trailer weight guidance.
Page 186 has the GCWR which ranges from 13,700lb to 15,165lb for the Overtrail. Images of payload and GCWR below.
Looking at payload with a 6,000lb Travel Trailer and an Overtrail @ a proper 600lb to hitch weight (10%) leaves ~945lb of load for pax/bags. Not great, probably OK with being deliberate and taking only what is needed. The short GX wheelbase and soft springs will be definitely limiting and require care and being deliberate when towing.
Working backwards from 15,165lb (Overtrail GCWR) less 8,000lb Trailer less 1,545lb max payload leads to a vehicle curb weight of at least 5,620lb. Once we see real door jam stickers will have the actual vehicle weight capacity.
For comparison, I used to pull a 31 foot ~8,000lb Travel Trailer with a K2500 Suburban (with custom tuned 8.1L V8). 4 children, our stuff, bicycles etc. Went full out to get lot’s of seats, motor, bunks and payload. That Suburban was a fantastic towing setup with 130” wheelbase and ~2,900lb of payload and a 17,000lb GCWR to work with. It also got 10 - 11 mpg unloaded, surprisingly it got 7-8 mpg towing. Another surprise is it was ~5,900lb curb weight, not that much higher than the GX. When properly setup with my WDH it was a very comfortable tow and handled the trailer, my family and our gear well. Obviously here I’m not looking to buy another 3/4 ton Chevy and want to go with smaller (and much nicer) truck, lighter TT, shorter TT and way less stuff (children are mostly out on their own now).
I know most people won’t bother to do the math on payload/hitch load or axle loading. The 18” and 20” wheels have a little room to work with. With the 22” wheels the GX will be @ payload limit very quickly (like my Tacoma).
I am glad Toyota did not every GX offering with the unsolvable combination of ‘can tow 6,500lb, but payload is a whopping 1,200lb’ like my 2006 Tacoma. It was a lousy way to pull anything over 3,000lb in all cases. I’m very interested in the payload of the LC250 to see where it lands on the First Edition and Land Cruiser trims.
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I would expect the Overtrail version to 'feel' quite similar in manners to the 200 during towing with the addition of an integrated trailer brake controller. We'll know soon I suppose.
This is actually quite impressive if accurate. It is in the range and comparable to a 2019 F-150 Platinum(~2500 payload) and Limited(~1250 payload). I have a 2019 Limited and swap to 20" tire/ wheel combo to pull a 26' toy hauler (not loaded fully with toys) @ about 8000lbs and find it hard to believe the GX would hang with the F-150 towing this trailer.
If leaving the GX completely empty with just me and the wife with all cargo completely in the trailer, it would be pretty cool to know I could haul it to local spots in Colorado knowing I could leave the F-150 at home or even know I can go to a 3/4 ton for long hauls and use the GX for all local Colorado camping and even enjoy the trips that much more in the GX as the tow vehicle.
Something that has severely limited me with a nicer larger camper and the 80 for 20+ years and absolutely refusing to camp without the 80.
I need to look through the docs Beno posted and see if it lists the hitch weigh limit. To pull off this payload on any large trailer, it will need to be rated @ 1000lbs if not even closer to 1200lbs. IMO 10% hitch weight is a bit low and needs to be closer to 12%.
While the GX rating is 8,000lb towing it will still run out of payload pretty quickly (800lb of tongue weight is counted against the 1,545lb payload) so at that tow it only has 745lb of payload left. I also don’t think it would perform like an F150 at that weight due to the short wheelbase and (likely) softly sprung rear end.
I’m still happy to see 1,545lb as payload. I could work with that and a midsize (5K lb +/-) trailer. For me, I wouldn’t want to push a GX above 6,000lb trailer.
YMMV.
I’m still happy to see 1,545lb as payload. I could work with that and a midsize (5K lb +/-) trailer. For me, I wouldn’t want to push a GX above 6,000lb trailer.
YMMV.
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