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I live in a rural area on the oregon coast. I have about a million solo or family projects that don’t involve other people. So the 200 has been busy hauling wood and tools, etc.
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I just got back from a few days in Seoul. One of the first countries hit by COVID after China. Malls are open, streets are full, traffic is bad, planes are flying (not as busy with much less international travel).
Seoul has over 2x the population density as our most dense cities. So, why are they not in full shutdown/panic mode?
Not sure what they're doing right we're doing wrong!?!
And, guys are getting sh!t on for wanting to take their rigs to a ORV park or for a drive because they have to get gas? I don't get it. Use had sanitizer, spray bleach on the gas pump. Sanitize and be safe--and avoid touching your face.
I agree. You don’t get it. South Korea hit it out of the park on their response to this pandemic. They tested early and aggressively, quarantined everyone who was infected and everyone they had been in contact with and they took asymptomatic spread seriously. The US could have modeled its response after South Korea’s or Germany’s or any place that wasn’t filled with and ran by anti-intellectuals, but instead we’ll ride the freedom and personal liberty train straight to hell and kill hundreds of thousands of people in the process.
Testing is key. Practicing correct hygiene also. Jumping in your rig and not interacting with any one isn't ant-intellectual and isn't going to make a rat-s*** bit of difference. I'd rather some one do that than go visit a neighbor.
You place your self, your family and society at infinitely greater risk by shopping for groceries and TP. Do you know how many hands have touched the stuff you are buying? Did you spray everything down with bleach or hydrogen peroxide before you brought it home? How many carts/door handles/ etc did you touch before you grabbed an item? And, God forbid, did you use cash to pay for something?
So, I get back to my point. We do appear to be enter the dark ages again. And some people think it's their right to party on the beach, but let's not crap on the guy who just wants to take his rig out to sightsee. Not stop any where (except maybe gas) and drive right back into his garage.
I actually read this book and it’s silly this is going around. First off, when it was originally published, the virus was called “Gorki-400 in reference to a Russian locality. The name of the weapon was changed to "Wuhan-400" when the book was released again in 1989. It also said the virus had a 100% mortality rate and only infected humans.
I agree. You don’t get it. South Korea hit it out of the park on their response to this pandemic. They tested early and aggressively, quarantined everyone who was infected and everyone they had been in contact with and they took asymptomatic spread seriously. The US could have modeled its response after South Korea’s or Germany’s or any place that wasn’t filled with and ran by anti-intellectuals, but instead we’ll ride the freedom and personal liberty train straight to hell and kill hundreds of thousands of people in the process.
I just got back from a few days in Seoul. One of the first countries hit by COVID after China. Malls are open, streets are full, traffic is bad, planes are flying (not as busy with much less international travel).
Seoul has over 2x the population density as our most dense cities. So, why are they not in full shutdown/panic mode?
Pastor Spell told local news outlet NBC15 earlier this month that he didn’t believe his congregation was in danger of infection. “It’s not a concern,” he said. “The virus, we believe, is politically motivated. We hold our religious rights dear and we are going to assemble no matter what someone says.”
The River Church in Tampa, Florida, also held services this Sunday. Pastor Rodney Howard-Browne posted a livestream of the services on YouTube, showing the sizable crowd. Howard-Browne said attendees were practicing “social distancing, or whatever” though the crowd appeared to be dense.
“We are not a non-essential service,” Howard-Browne said during the service. “You’re probably going to get infected at some other place, not here.”
Yeah my cousin took a job in South Korea right before the outbreak. The family was worried about her being there, then it turned out it ended up being way Safer than staying home in US.
I think the situation with OHV parks where I’m at is a little different than the previous poster. A guy tooling around in the desert in a 200 is fairly low risk.
where I’m at there can be hundreds of guys on quads, dirt bikes, etc zooming around in the dunes and some always end up in local ER. The local hospital is trying to stay as empty as possible to deal with the local retirement population in case the virus hits here.
That’s super interesting about Korea though. Hopefully it means the US will end up being OK sooner rather than later.
As of March 30, the Us has a nearly identical mortality rate to Sough Korea:
Columns are known infections...deaths...and mortality %
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For me, there is no country I’d rather be in than the US right now and I think statistics ratios will start to show that more and more as this thing plays out. But who k owe. We’ll see... Hoping for the best, but remembering the potential worst.
See full list here:
COVID-19 death rate by country 2022 | Statista
COVID-19 deaths per capita were 2 to 3 times higher in Italy, the UK and Belgium than in the United States.www.statista.com
South Korea’s mortality rate with our infection rate is terrifying. At this point we just need to cross our fingers for one or all of the antiviral medicine or antibody transfusion treatments to pan out.
Agree.
Only thought was that in the list of mortality rates, the US is doing better than most...by far.
OTOH, stats are tinged by perspective and focus, since regionally, percentages are both far better and far worse than the over-all numbers. It’s a tricky statistical dance that can be presented to support just about any impression a person seeks to impart. -If they want to scare us...ficus on Itsly, New York or the facility in Washington from state. Want to encourage? Focus on elsewhere.
It’s bad. No question.
But how we FEEL about is truly...truly malleable, which is an interesting thought to me.
I am not suggesting one or the other perspective. It’s just interesting to me how perspectives can be all over the place—each with their own legitimate statistical justifications.
Right, the three categories of lie are lies, damn lies, and statistics, per Mark Twain, but there’s a way to normalize data to show compelling and non-deceptive trends, too. What you initially did (I’m sure unintentionally) is an example of something that skews the data. Talking about mortality rates outside the context of infection rates ignores fully half the equation. You know, 100M x .001 is the same as 10M x .01, 100k. The first number matters. Even regionally, it’s a scary situation here. If you were just pointing out we’re doing better than most on mortality rate, I’d say that’s not going to matter if everyone gets infected. I also don’t think you need Italy’s data to scare people. I think South Korea‘a mortality rate should scare people. They’ve tested enough to believe it’s probably pretty accurate, and if we let it infect 40% of the population here then south Korea’s mortality rate will kill over 1.3M people. The flu infects ~10% of the population, and we achieve some herd immunity through vaccinations. What’s stopping this thing from infecting 4-6x that many people in a population with zero natural immunity? We are, that’s it.
I imagine there will be huge studies that are very telling about where the virus did the most damage per capita pre and post shut down.
As of March 30, the Us has a nearly identical mortality rate to Sough Korea:
Columns are known infections...deaths...and mortality %
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For me, there is no country I’d rather be in than the US right now and I think statistics ratios will start to show that more and more as this thing plays out. But who k owe. We’ll see... Hoping for the best, but remembering the potential worst.
See full list here:
COVID-19 death rate by country 2022 | Statista
COVID-19 deaths per capita were 2 to 3 times higher in Italy, the UK and Belgium than in the United States.www.statista.com