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will it fit in the BACK of the 45??????
will it fit in the BACK of the 45??????
New to me 45V
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That would be super wheeling pimp master. Truggy in the bed of a 45.
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LOFL!~
You all crack me up.. I am not sold on the buggy concept yet.... doesn't take the fun outta wheeling but does take out the challenge element : ( plus you eat dust and most buggy's all look the same.. unlike vintage cruisers : )
You all crack me up.. I am not sold on the buggy concept yet.... doesn't take the fun outta wheeling but does take out the challenge element : ( plus you eat dust and most buggy's all look the same.. unlike vintage cruisers : )
First I would like to say congrats on the "45"....I will miss seeing you flog the snoot out of the "55" it was legendary...
But, I am of the opinion that this would make a great mid trail rig to keep looking good...45's are just to hard to find
But, I am of the opinion that this would make a great mid trail rig to keep looking good...45's are just to hard to find
Jeff,
No personal experience on the mini truck box turning 37's but i've read up on the ps for quite some time now. It's been said here among other places that the mini setup works well up to 35" tires. would 2" make a difference? I don't know. If you've got a pto winch on the front then the saginaw might not be an option. Would a scout box be a heavier unit?
BTW- Nice truck!!!
No personal experience on the mini truck box turning 37's but i've read up on the ps for quite some time now. It's been said here among other places that the mini setup works well up to 35" tires. would 2" make a difference? I don't know. If you've got a pto winch on the front then the saginaw might not be an option. Would a scout box be a heavier unit?
BTW- Nice truck!!!
Power steering
Lotsa opinions and comments..........proves there's more than one way to skin a cat, eh? I've wheeled two different 55's, started with my 71 with manual steering. Wheeled it two years without breaking a thumb. Sold it with manual steering (but added disk brakes, another story there).
Bought my 78 and wheeled it one year without power steering. Too much work and actually dangerous unless you're really careful. I decided to go the easy route with power steering, and bought a mini truck box bracket from lance. The bracket not only looked good, but fit perfectly. No welding, no cutting, drill the rivets out of the existing bracket and bolt on the new one. For a pump I use a mini truck (any 22R engine can be a donor) pump and had Jim C modify the bracket and add a pulley so that the pump mounts right to the original smog pump bracket. It is tucked away very nicely at the bottom of the engine and uses the original 17MM cross section belt that Toyota used for the smog pump. I mounted the reservoir high on the inner fender.
That setup worked great with 31" tires. i then went to 33 x 9.50 tires and the PS setup still performed very well. Never had a problem with it and can recommend it to anyone.
When we did the spring over and of course went with high steer arms it was an opportunity ( a must, actually) to get rid of the original steering arms and center steering pivot bracket. I liked the way Mark Whatley described his FJ60 steering box installation and we went that same way. Welded a piece of 3/4" plate directly to the frame rail, it has four drilled and tapped holes for M12 bolts and not only looks strong, it IS strong. I kept the mini power steering pump, too. My truck runs 35 x 12.50 mnud tires and this power steering system works perfectly. It's great on the trail and perfect on the road. My pig runs down the highway straight as an arrow and I think the effort required to turn the steering wheel either on or off the road is perfect.
I'm a big fan of keeping Toyota parts on my trucks. Nothing wrong with a Chevy engine or a saginaw power steering box, just my personal preference. I have to say that I believe the mini truck pump's output is adequate for any Toyota application I've yet seen. I've seen some good saginaw pump installations and some that were hirrible. I've seen some Sag power steering box conversions that were well done (John Merkey's work comes to mind) and some that were downright scary. Using a 60/62 box requires no frame siderail or crossmember cutting. If that ain't a good thing call em stupid....... My mini truck pump hasn't neede a belt adjustment since I installed it three years ago. It's a great install and I can't imagine anything better. No squealing belts, no throwing belts, no misalignment.
A few points of interest here......while the 60 and 62 steering boxes have the same basic configuartion they do differ in a few details. Either box is a great andidate to install on either a 40, 45, or 55. And pulleys........I can get the correct 17MM pulleys here at work, I buy them from a vendor with whom we do over a million dollars of business a year. I get a tremendous price on the parts and will get pulleys for anyone who needs one. These have a tapered center and use a taper-lok hub to secure them to the shaft of either a Saginaw pump (3/4" diameter) or a Toyota pump (I think 18MM diameter). I think a pulley and hub are less than $40 for the pair. These things work great and are an easy install.
Anyway, that's my two cents. I'm not a hard core wheeler, don't need a hydraulic ram to steer my piggie, but do know what worked and works for me, and can appreciate the fine points of a good installation. By the way Whatley's article appeared in the July/August 2003 issue of Toyota Trails and is an outstanding source of information. HTH.....Gary S
Lotsa opinions and comments..........proves there's more than one way to skin a cat, eh? I've wheeled two different 55's, started with my 71 with manual steering. Wheeled it two years without breaking a thumb. Sold it with manual steering (but added disk brakes, another story there).
Bought my 78 and wheeled it one year without power steering. Too much work and actually dangerous unless you're really careful. I decided to go the easy route with power steering, and bought a mini truck box bracket from lance. The bracket not only looked good, but fit perfectly. No welding, no cutting, drill the rivets out of the existing bracket and bolt on the new one. For a pump I use a mini truck (any 22R engine can be a donor) pump and had Jim C modify the bracket and add a pulley so that the pump mounts right to the original smog pump bracket. It is tucked away very nicely at the bottom of the engine and uses the original 17MM cross section belt that Toyota used for the smog pump. I mounted the reservoir high on the inner fender.
That setup worked great with 31" tires. i then went to 33 x 9.50 tires and the PS setup still performed very well. Never had a problem with it and can recommend it to anyone.
When we did the spring over and of course went with high steer arms it was an opportunity ( a must, actually) to get rid of the original steering arms and center steering pivot bracket. I liked the way Mark Whatley described his FJ60 steering box installation and we went that same way. Welded a piece of 3/4" plate directly to the frame rail, it has four drilled and tapped holes for M12 bolts and not only looks strong, it IS strong. I kept the mini power steering pump, too. My truck runs 35 x 12.50 mnud tires and this power steering system works perfectly. It's great on the trail and perfect on the road. My pig runs down the highway straight as an arrow and I think the effort required to turn the steering wheel either on or off the road is perfect.
I'm a big fan of keeping Toyota parts on my trucks. Nothing wrong with a Chevy engine or a saginaw power steering box, just my personal preference. I have to say that I believe the mini truck pump's output is adequate for any Toyota application I've yet seen. I've seen some good saginaw pump installations and some that were hirrible. I've seen some Sag power steering box conversions that were well done (John Merkey's work comes to mind) and some that were downright scary. Using a 60/62 box requires no frame siderail or crossmember cutting. If that ain't a good thing call em stupid....... My mini truck pump hasn't neede a belt adjustment since I installed it three years ago. It's a great install and I can't imagine anything better. No squealing belts, no throwing belts, no misalignment.
A few points of interest here......while the 60 and 62 steering boxes have the same basic configuartion they do differ in a few details. Either box is a great andidate to install on either a 40, 45, or 55. And pulleys........I can get the correct 17MM pulleys here at work, I buy them from a vendor with whom we do over a million dollars of business a year. I get a tremendous price on the parts and will get pulleys for anyone who needs one. These have a tapered center and use a taper-lok hub to secure them to the shaft of either a Saginaw pump (3/4" diameter) or a Toyota pump (I think 18MM diameter). I think a pulley and hub are less than $40 for the pair. These things work great and are an easy install.
Anyway, that's my two cents. I'm not a hard core wheeler, don't need a hydraulic ram to steer my piggie, but do know what worked and works for me, and can appreciate the fine points of a good installation. By the way Whatley's article appeared in the July/August 2003 issue of Toyota Trails and is an outstanding source of information. HTH.....Gary S
Great info Gary!
i need one of those pulleys for my saginaw pump! what is the diameter of the pulley? is it smaller than the huge stock one?
I'm looking for the smallest pulley I can find so I don't have to rev the heck out of the engine to get boost
I'm looking for the same thing on my Delco alternator.....
i need one of those pulleys for my saginaw pump! what is the diameter of the pulley? is it smaller than the huge stock one?
I'm looking for the smallest pulley I can find so I don't have to rev the heck out of the engine to get boost
I'm looking for the same thing on my Delco alternator.....
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Looks like I am meeting Tom next Sunday to gather all the remaining parts he has for it..... I should be making some progress this month.
In the meantime... It's nice outside
In the meantime... It's nice outside
Not that it matters
but what did Em say about the horse trade? Just curious
but what did Em say about the horse trade? Just curious
Blue77FJ40
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Gary, how do the 60 and the 62 boxes differ? I have a 62 box set aside for me and am curious. I will definitely go this way at some point.
I got the Martin sheave and pulley from MSC for my sag pump to regain the 17mm belt. The belt I'm using is:
Gates TR22625 (replaces 973)
Truck & Bus Series
Green Stripe II
Also known as 22 series belts
I measured with a rope and had to make several trips to the store to get it just right.
Thanks, Dan
I got the Martin sheave and pulley from MSC for my sag pump to regain the 17mm belt. The belt I'm using is:
Gates TR22625 (replaces 973)
Truck & Bus Series
Green Stripe II
Also known as 22 series belts
I measured with a rope and had to make several trips to the store to get it just right.
Thanks, Dan
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Hey Chris, sorry I did not see your question on what Em thought about the horse trade.. she is happy (that I am happy )
Update* I m out of town in KY at the moment but I did drop off the 45 to John Merkey for a saginaw PS conversion.. off comes the PTO winch in trade to John (for his '61 J40) and on goes the Warn 9000
and the 37's
so I may be able to wheel as soon as the trip to Rausch since John is starting on it today
) Update* I m out of town in KY at the moment but I did drop off the 45 to John Merkey for a saginaw PS conversion.. off comes the PTO winch in trade to John (for his '61 J40) and on goes the Warn 9000
and the 37's so I may be able to wheel as soon as the trip to Rausch since John is starting on it today
Blue77FJ40
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Any updates on this??? I got to see it hiding from the sunlight at an exclusive cruiser-spa, awaiting selective surgery while my cruiser was having its own minor metal massage.
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Update
Well, the saginaw PS conversion is still in the works... hopefully it will be completed soon.
I took the hard top down via sanding and am in the process of repainting it and installing the headliner. Should be nice for winter
I'll post pics when I have something worthy
Should be able to wheel it at the fall crawl on the Sat.
Well, the saginaw PS conversion is still in the works... hopefully it will be completed soon.
I took the hard top down via sanding and am in the process of repainting it and installing the headliner. Should be nice for winter
I'll post pics when I have something worthy
Should be able to wheel it at the fall crawl on the Sat.
Looking forward to seeing it... Will you be sporting the 37's?
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yes, hence the choice of sagniaw power steering instead of the minitruck power assist... should work out well!
Blue77FJ40
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Please don't tell me that you're gonna drive the 45 in the winter! That PA salt is what killed my first '40. It was a horrible sight, I tell ya.
See ya at the FC.
See ya at the FC.
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I am not fond of driving the 45 in the salt... dry roads in the winter at most... hopefully it will make it to Rausch a couple times this winter
Finished the hardtop 'preservation'... didn't weld in any new metal though it can and will get some in places. I would say it is 90% all there overall. Installed the headliner, not professional but all the same, adequate, better than looking at surface rust as the entire cap and sides are metal, unlike a 40 hardtop which is fiberglass capped.
Pics (I know how CBury loves the sexy sidewindows
)
Finished the hardtop 'preservation'... didn't weld in any new metal though it can and will get some in places. I would say it is 90% all there overall. Installed the headliner, not professional but all the same, adequate, better than looking at surface rust as the entire cap and sides are metal, unlike a 40 hardtop which is fiberglass capped.
Pics (I know how CBury loves the sexy sidewindows
)
top
Jeff- the top looks great!!!! How's the PS coming along? gary
Jeff- the top looks great!!!! How's the PS coming along? gary
Blue77FJ40
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Props on the top. Looks like you have the nice Tractor Supply nite lite in the back. Remind me to show you my $3 special. Is JM done yet?
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That is actually OE interior light......
Belts and hoses were will be installed for the PS by this weekend... still uncertain about the making of the rod and which ends for the steering linkage. Left hand J6/J8 taps are 400$ so..... still debating what to do. Looking at one-ton GM rod ends but have not heard back from JM yet... also looking at budbuilt rods with J8 ends.... I'll surely post up when I know.
Belts and hoses were will be installed for the PS by this weekend... still uncertain about the making of the rod and which ends for the steering linkage. Left hand J6/J8 taps are 400$ so..... still debating what to do. Looking at one-ton GM rod ends but have not heard back from JM yet... also looking at budbuilt rods with J8 ends.... I'll surely post up when I know.
