New 80 Series from South America

[WildHare]

I just wanted to post my personal opinion on the whole importing subject.

While I can understand the attractiveness of a diesel engine: fuel economy, torque, etc., I cannot understand why you would want to deal with the difficulty of obtaining parts.

One of the greatest assets to me as a vehicle modifier is the availability of used parts. Without easily available used parts, my repair costs and repair times would grow dramatically.

But if you do it, congrads. That's a cool vehicle to have.

-Dan

 

[Tapage]

2006 80 Series is only available in Venezuela as part of a plan where Toyota maintained the tooling for the 80 series there and completely skipped the 100 series. They are all powered by the 1FZ-FE and are not available with any other engine. Panama, like the rest of the world, switched in '98 to the 100 Series and it's available in several different configurations, diesel and gas.

Yap .. tha's it ..

The Venezuelans .. are unique lucky bastards with 80 series Brand new .. and very cheap !

 

[nickw]

I just wanted to post my personal opinion on the whole importing subject.

While I can understand the attractiveness of a diesel engine: fuel economy, torque, etc., I cannot understand why you would want to deal with the difficulty of obtaining parts.

One of the greatest assets to me as a vehicle modifier is the availability of used parts. Without easily available used parts, my repair costs and repair times would grow dramatically.

But if you do it, congrads. That's a cool vehicle to have.

-Dan

Parts are now that bad.
Not quite as easy as walking down to toyota and having them by the next day.

But they are not hard either.
Takes a bit of looking.
There are parts places in Canada.
Plus lots of members on the board willing to help.

Cheers,
Nick

 

[Hayes]

MIght get reamed for not reading previous threads on the subject, but....


Are the S. American 80s still made in Japan? Or are they made in S. America? Wouldn't this be a concern?

Hayes

 

[94landcruiser]

Works out to $45,932.94 at the current exchange Bolivar to Dollar. seems like a steal!

Except getting it into the U.S. would be a pita.

 

[Tapage]

MIght get reamed for not reading previous threads on the subject, but....


Are the S. American 80s still made in Japan? Or are they made in S. America? Wouldn't this be a concern?

Hayes

Here in Panamá all Land Cruiser comes from Jap .. all new model Hi Lux and Fortuner comes from Argentina .. with the new D4D technology from Toyota ..

In Venezuela all 80 series and 71 ares are locally maded .. coz they hace a plant to do that with national parts .. is a deal with the goverment ..

 

[TEPUI]

Since 1989, Toyota Motor Corporation owns something like 51% of the assembly plant, they deiced to put money into it when government regulations forced Toyota venezuela to seek external financial help.

I can understand that you'd think the quality is in jeopardy being assembled in Venezuela, but i dont know of any quality issues with any venezuelan assembled Toyota car or 4x4. Not sure what the perentage of japanese parts is, but I know it is very high, and the Venezuelan made parts are non-crucial items like glass, hoses, rubber parts, etc. Exiled can contribute to this, he owns a Venezuelan assembled 60.

 

[Tapage]

radiators .. and somethings like that .. I thought also AC system an so ..

 

[VertigoZ1K]

you could probably get one in but it would be so illegal, risky and expensive, that youd be better off buying all brand new parts from toyota and just assembling your own.

 

[nickw]

you could probably get one in but it would be so illegal, risky and expensive, that youd be better off buying all brand new parts from toyota and just assembling your own.

Why would it be illegal?
If the truck meets standards (just like the US gas 80) then it should be no problem. Isn't the main difference just the engine?

In Canada, I think this would be an easy import.
Just as long as it meets code AS IS FROM FACTORY.
Other wise the 15 year rule comes into play.

The only thing that stopped the my HDJ81 from coming was RHD headlights daytime running lights. If they had that, then you could import it 1 day old.

In fact, I am thinking someone could import a HDJ100 (or HDJ105) if they wanted (and had the money). I see no reason why it would not pass Canadian and US safety. The UZJ100 and LX470 passes. Only difference is the engine right (other than the SFA on the 105)?

Cheers,
Nick

 

[nickw]

Tapage:

30K USD brand new??????
That must be base, no turbo, sunroof, power options.......
Does it even have a heater (serious quesiton)?
That is to cheap.

Cheers,
Nick

 

[TEPUI]

Tapage:

30K USD brand new??????
That must be base, no turbo, sunroof, power options.......
Does it even have a heater (serious quesiton)?
That is to cheap.

Cheers,
Nick

nickw, i'll answer this one for Tapage:

A brand new "Autana" starts at approx USD$ 39,500 at today's exchange rate of approx 2100 Bs per dollar. Even the most basic model comes with A/C.

Specs & prices here

 

[nickw]

nickw, i'll answer this one for Tapage:

A brand new "Autana" starts at approx USD$ 39,500 at today's exchange rate of approx 2100 Bs per dollar. Even the most basic model comes with A/C.

Specs & prices here

I just noticed there is no diesel option.
Just the 1FZ-FE.

 

[firetruck41]

Why would it be illegal?
If the truck meets standards (just like the US gas 80) then it should be no problem. Isn't the main difference just the engine?

In Canada, I think this would be an easy import.
Just as long as it meets code AS IS FROM FACTORY.
Other wise the 15 year rule comes into play.

The only thing that stopped the my HDJ81 from coming was RHD headlights daytime running lights. If they had that, then you could import it 1 day old.

In fact, I am thinking someone could import a HDJ100 (or HDJ105) if they wanted (and had the money). I see no reason why it would not pass Canadian and US safety. The UZJ100 and LX470 passes. Only difference is the engine right (other than the SFA on the 105)?

Cheers,
Nick

You would have to get Toyota to say it passes all US (or CA) standards, even with a different engine/axle, and I don't see them laying their liability on the line like that. Maybe if you pay to crash test a couple in the configuration that you want to bring in . The different engine and solid front axle could possibly be a substantial difference in outcome, regarding safety tests.

 

[wussyPup]

Why would it be illegal?
If the truck meets standards (just like the US gas 80) then it should be no problem. Isn't the main difference just the engine?

In Canada, I think this would be an easy import.
Just as long as it meets code AS IS FROM FACTORY.
Other wise the 15 year rule comes into play.

The only thing that stopped the my HDJ81 from coming was RHD headlights daytime running lights. If they had that, then you could import it 1 day old.

In fact, I am thinking someone could import a HDJ100 (or HDJ105) if they wanted (and had the money). I see no reason why it would not pass Canadian and US safety. The UZJ100 and LX470 passes. Only difference is the engine right (other than the SFA on the 105)?

Cheers,
Nick

Nick,

We need to pass two tests; first the federal laws that allow/prevent us to import the vehicle for any purpose. See the following exerpt from Transport Canada's Importation of vehicles into Canada from countries other than the United States

VEHICLES PURCHASED OUTSIDE CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES​

The Motor Vehicle Safety Act and Regulations require that all vehicles imported into Canada comply, at the time of importation, with the Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Standards in effect on the date the vehicle was manufactured. Vehicles manufactured for sale in countries other than Canada and the United States do not comply with the requirements of the Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Act, CANNOT be altered to comply and CANNOT be imported into Canada. The only exceptions to this rule are vehicles fifteen (15) years old or older as determined by the month and year in which the vehicle was manufactured and buses manufactured before January 1, 1971.

Vehicles acquired in foreign countries other than the U.S. and designed, built, tested and certified to meet either all applicable Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Standards or all applicable United States Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards and bearing a statement of compliance label affixed by the original manufacturer, as required by the Regulations, may be eligible for importation into Canada provided the vehicle has not been altered and the certification from the original manufacturer is maintained. Please contact Transport Canada, Road Safety and Motor Vehicle Regulation Directorate, at 1-613-998-8616 for further information.​

Then, if we want to license it for on road use, we need to pass the Provincial regs; e.g. glass, headlamps, DTRL, etc.

Unless those rigs have a compliance sticker, we can't import them until they're 15 years old. It doesn't matter if they comply; they have to have the sticker.

-Steve

 

[nickw]

Hello Steve,

I am aware of all the importation laws. I did a lot of homework on them.
Your right about the sticker though. I am sure the HDJ100 (or 105 preferred) would comply. You would just need to buy it out of a country that sells LHD, and gets all the good diesels. Germany perhaps. I am 99% it would meets the standards, but the sticker would be the deal breaker. However, I wonder if someone had the money (no way I ever will) if Toyota Germany would GET YOU the sticker, proving complaince.

Guess it does not matter. I will never be able to afford one.
At least not until its 15 years old.

Besides, both you and me already have HDJ81's.
We don't need to look for another cruiser for 10-15 years.

BTW Steve. I ordered my lift I got the 850/863. Dan at 4wheelauto did not have the J's. It would be 3-4 weeks before he got them. Which is not ebought time before my trip. If the 850 is not enought I will put a spacer in.

Cheers,
Nick

 

[Tapage]

nickw, i'll answer this one for Tapage:

A brand new "Autana" starts at approx USD$ 39,500 at today's exchange rate of approx 2100 Bs per dollar. Even the most basic model comes with A/C.

Specs & prices here

Don't cry yet .. oficial exchange 2100 per dollar .. ok .. but you don't need to do that .. you can exchange your dollars at 2600Bs per dolar . non official .. make the calculate again .. boila !

And you have sun roof but not double tank or double AC in Venezuela, so all are gasssers .. manual or auto up to you ( well if you have the right contact to buy ione )

About the heater, need to performa search ..

 

[Stumpalama]

Ha ha, It's a FZJ80/LX450 hybrid... It's got the LX body cladding and the toyota emblems...
It IS the same truck they sold in the U.S.... right? You might have to add the dual catalytic converters and DOT glass. But the chassis and engine and everything else passed U.S. and T.C. crash test standards. (air bags?) So what's the big deal?
Mine has 102,000mi on it with a new headgasket, so it's practically new and I paid 1/2 the $30K 2.5 years ago.

 

[wussyPup]

Hi Stump!

The big deal is that it is pretty unlikely that they have "a statement of compliance label affixed by the original manufacturer". It doesn't matter if they comply; without the sticker we can't import them until they're 15 years old.

It's sad... there are 15 year old 78s and 77s that we can legally import (federal laws) but are tough to comply with the provincial regs to license - and there are these new 80s that we can't import but would be a breeze to license

-Steve

 

[TLC42TD]

The Chinese Fuqi has a diesel option, although not the one you'd expect. Body from an 80 but with reshaped front and rear to resemble the 100 series. Punch "Fuqi Landcruiser" into google for more. I'm sure China would looove to export them to the US @ ten bob a piece.