Metal Tech Roll Cage

[UNO_RACING]

For those who are considering purchasing MetalTechs roll cage----The materials used are very nice, but like a Chinese Manufacture, there're no instructions!

I know I could figue it out, but at the very least tubes should be marked (A, B, C, etc) and instructions for assembally should be provided as a guidence tool becasue there are a lot of pieces.

I'm not sure why vendors take the time to develop nice products, but they won't take the time to provide instructions. I know there is a certian "it's obvious dude" mentality, but geeze help us that are not familiar with engineering, geometry, and mechanical skill sets.

To provide instructions is a value added benefit, especially from those who specialize in Landcruisers.

Sorry to bash, but I just want folks to take the time to provide guidance in the from of instructions for specialized products. This does not only apply to Metal Tech, but other Vendors as well.

 

[JuttyShabango]

I must foreworn those who are considering purchasing MetalTechs roll cage----The materials used are very nice, but like a Chinese Manufacture, there're no instructions!

I know I could figue it out, but at the very least tubes should be marked (A, B, C, etc) and instructions for assembally should be provided as a guidence tool becasue there are a lot of pieces.

I'm not sure why vendors take the time to develop nice products, but they won't take the time to provide instructions. I know there is a certian "it's obvious dude" mentality, but geeze help us that are not familiar with engineering, geometry, and mechanical skill sets.

To provide instructions is a value added benefit, especially from those who specialize in Landcruisers.

Sorry to bash, but I just want folks to take the time to provide guidance in the from of instructions for specialized products. This does not only apply to Metal Tech, but other Vendors as well.

Honestly...you probably have no business installing the thing yourself if you need instructions...hence why they offer a list of installers.

It's clearly a kit meant for the hardcore DIY guy that can weld but doesn't have the $$$ invested in the tube bending equipment to do it for themselves.

Few SAS kits come with any instructions..or sketchy ones at best and alot of the "fabricator helpers" kits are that way.

 

[CruiserMax]

I understand the frustration: I have been battling with a large format Chinese camera that did not have instructions.

One of the Metal Tech guys attended our club's annual picnic on Tuesday. He seemed very into it. Have you called them and voiced your concerns? Most of these "assembly required" cages are directed towards people who are experienced welders. I am not a welder. If I was spending the cash for a high end cage like the Metal Tech system I would make sure that the welder who was assembling the cage was experienced. In other words if I was learning to weld I would not make the cage that was potentially going to save my life the first project on my journey towards welding proficiency.

Contact them. They may have good photos of the finished product which may be a lot better than a lot of Ikea bookshelf style instructions: avoiding stuff like "join paag leg to pwango board using koraap snaps etc."

Good luck!

 

[Mace]

Did you bother to call and ask them? Or just get grumpy and post this on the internet?

 

[camcruiser13]

i ordered the nose guard and the stinger, came with no instructions but after looking at it and moving pieces around i figured it out, great product.


lay the peices out, put them how you think they go and start nocthin and welding. cant be too hard to screw up.


call them for some help

 

[JRFJ4-]

Honestly...you probably have no business installing the thing yourself if you need instructions...hence why they offer a list of installers.

x2



The instructions didn't say. Should I hot glue this together or use duct tape.




Please delete this thread. It has given me a flippin headache.

JR

 

[1973Guppie]

Mark at Metaltech is one of the nicest guys I have ever dealt with, and his products kick ass period. This is why it is called a "kit". Sounds like you didn't ask the right questions before hand. Do yourself a favor and take it to someone to install and think twice before you post up crap like this.

Noah

 

[UNO_RACING]

Honestly...you probably have no business installing the thing yourself if you need instructions...hence why they offer a list of installers.

Please don't jump to assumptions becasue you'll make yourself out to look like an ass. I support the vendors becasue I think they need the support.

All the welding I have done on my truck has been done by a professional and will never be done my me. Unless of course its simple. In fact, I could have had a custom buit roll cage by my guy, but becaue of my generiousity and the reviews I've read about metal tech, I have decided to support the vendors of Imud.

In terms of the instuctuions, I'm not asking for detailed instructions, I'm asking for the parts to be labeled. There are a lot of similar lenght parts that could use explaination as to where they go.

One thing I don't like doing is wasting money for labor. It costs money when someone is laying out the cage on the ground trying to figure out parts. I don't care what one's level of experience is with welding, it does take time to figure out how parts are put together.

If a vendor is selling a product nationally and only offers installers in certain locations, they should consider providing instructions for locations that don't have an installation relationship with Metal Tech.

 

[UNO_RACING]

all of you who don't read the post in it's entireity. I'm just making a point of instructions, I'm not bashing the product becasue it is very, very nice. Can't wait to get it together..... Come on now settle down.

 

[1973Guppie]

Uno, dude seriously, call Mark, he will bend backwards to help you out.....

Noah

 

[JuttyShabango]

Please don't jump to assumptions becasue you'll make yourself out to look like an ass.

I'm not jumping to any assumptions...just commenting is all. Besides, if anyone is looking like the ASS it's you for starting this worthless thread.

 

[UNO_RACING]

I'm not jumping to any assumptions...just commenting is all. Besides, if anyone is looking like the ASS it's you for starting this worthless thread.

Opinions are opinions and I'm sticking to mine. I don't think this thread is worthless. I think it's a good thread to have vendors sharpen their pencils. All I'm asking for is instructions. Not everyone has the same skill sets. Take me for example, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to mechanical skill sets, but I can pick it up real esay with some instruction.

When I was an infant I wasn't boobie fed and I was dropped on my head multiple times. Please give accomidation to us underprivilaged folk that don't share the same skill sets.

Now take your jarbinero pepper and shove it up your ass....

 

[CruiserMax]

Uno, your comment "If a vendor is selling a product nationally and only offers installers in certain locations, they should consider providing instructions for locations that don't have an installation relationship with Metal Tech" is a valid point.

However, your first post seemed like an angry APB warning smack at Metal Tech. You did not provide any info about who was doing the install. Is your welder "guy" familiar with cages or outfitting 4x4 rigs? You also did not say if you had made any attempt to contact Metal Tech. If you had contacted them and they had blown you off that would be one thing. If they would not respond to your concerns that too would be a red flag. But you provide zero information on this crucial point. If you are hiring someone to build the cage for you then it is in your interest to make sure you have "all the ducks in a row". There have been dozens of guys who have built these cages without major issues. All cage installs are going to be different: custom to each truck. Rather than blame Metal Tech on a public board you could have asked for the information you think is missing. This is the TECH Forum, not the silly children's sandbox CHAT area.

Like many, many guys here, it would be easier on everyone to take a moment and think before hitting that SEND or REPLY button.

I have seen these cages. They look great: I want one.

 

[Mace]

So, did you ask Mark for a set of instructions?

Have you asked him yet?

Have you pointed out to him that a set of instructions or by simply labeling the tubes would be a serious benefit to you?

 

[bull]

I installed a family cage on my 79. Labels for the B and C pillars would have been nice. All I did was look at his photos on his site and it all made sense. I can take some pics of mine if you need it..

 

[JRFJ4-]

Dude

I think it's the way you started the thread. "I want to foreworn those...."

It don't matter how many good things you say about someone, or a company, one negative comment is what sticks with people. Call Mark with some constructive advice.

Calling Metal Tech would have been the smart grown up thing to do. Instead of telling people they are making an ass out of themselves, make a phone call.


This thread has pissed me off. I'm going to get a




JR

 

[UNO_RACING]

You er's make a lot of sence. I should have toned down my first sentence on the initial post.

BTW, I did call Mark and I agree that he is great. He provided pics, but the pilars need to be marked with A, B, C, etc, espeically with the larger cages (mine is full). Plus the package comes shipped in bundles so it's hard to determine what is what other than the front and rear bars.

I wasnt' tryin to be defamatory at all, towards Mark or his company. He's a great guy and provides and awesome product. I was just trying to give some constructive advice.

Perhaps some vendors will take in what I'm trying to say here and provide the "value added" service (instructions) that can make a great product vendor into an awesome vendor.

So enjoy your 'in Firday and have a on me, you mother 'ers.


Good thing to see you guys enjoy Metal Tech. It's that type of support that makes me feel that I really bought a great product.

Your buddy,

UNO aka mother 'er

 

[theo]

As for identifying the pillars, it's pretty hard to get it wrong. The A pillars are contoured to the dash, and the C pillars are bent inward to clear a hard top. Doesn't leave much doubt as to which ones are the B pillars. It took me a little longer to sort out the rest of the tubes but they eventually make sense too.

I also printed some pictures from Mark's web site. That helped a lot but I still managed a couple of boners! Had a hell of a time positioning the A pillars so I could still roll my windows down. And when I hit bumps at speed sometimes the cage knocks against the right visor. I'll either have to put stabilizers between the cage and the windshield to fix this or remove the visors. I positioned the B to C braces inboard farther than I liked. Still functional but not the look I was after.

Basically, lots of thinking to do; this is a safety device. Well worth the effort, but the very nature of this cage requires extra effort on our part. Directions or labels won't ever change that.

Mark is good people. There's no changing that either.

edit - Peace on ya, UNO

 

[CruiserMax]

Mark is good people. There's no changing that either.

edit - Peace on ya, UNO

Nice to see this thread taking on a more friendly tone. We are all here to help each other after all...

 

[kenai]

I just installed my metal tech cage, and its great! but i would agree that simple instructions and labeling would be nice. It would take only a few hours to write up then photo copy for each kit. I did spent extra time going back and forth to the computer looking at photos of one installed. Mark is super nice, but near impossible to get a hold of. Plus, I believe simple instructions would reduce the number of simple questions he would have to answer. Great product though!