M1-209 Oil Fill (1 Viewer)

[up5799]

manual says oil and filter change requires 6.8L (7.2Q) for a refill - what's the consensus when using the larger Mobil M1-209 filter? I'm thinking 7.2L (7.6Q)?

 

[GTV]

About .1 of a liter more. Just use the stick.

 

[abuck99]

I use the M209 as well. Its not that much more I typically end up using around 7 Quarts. My process is to pre-fill the filter first until it stop's absorbing oil and is about an inch below the top of the filter- then spin it on trying not spill it . Filter will take almost 1/2 quart of oil. I then put 6 qts in, run it and then check stick and top up until you hit the full mark.

 

[hankinid]

Buy 8 quarts...you'll have a little left over.

 

[up5799]

Put in 7 quarts and the stick reads full if I'm reading it correctly. What I don't understand is this:

The 100 owner's manual says with an OEM filter an oil and filter change will require 6.8 L (7.2 US quarts) for a refill.

But the Mobil 1 container says it holds 1 US quart (946 ML) of oil.

So according to Toyota a liter is less than a quart, while according to Mobil it is more than a quart?

Using Mobil's data, 7 quarts is equal to 6.62 liters, which according to Toyota is not enough even enough for an oil refill using the smaller OEM filter.

Using Toyota's data, 7 quarts is not enough for a refill using the smaller OEM filter.

Am I misreading oil dipstick, or are my calculations off somewhere?

 

[2001LC]

Keep in mind, when we drain oil even in a warmed up engine. We do not get it all. If engine on a stand and rotated. It would have to sit a week right side up than a week upside down, then end up and then end down. Still we'd not get it all.

I like to be dead on high notch with warmed up oil, after sitting 5 to 15 minutes. Just so, 5K miles later I can see if any used. But it's okay to be a tad below top notch. In fact it's been report over filling just a tad, will reduce MPG.

 

[snowglobe]

@2001LC
Why not use an m1-301a? Maybe the base is too large, interfering with drop catcher.
Those are the large mobil filters for 80 series/ lx450.

301a: https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/c/mobil-1-filters/mobil-1-oil-filter/m1f0/m1301a

• Warranty: Manufacturer's Defect Warranty
• Unit of Measure: Each
• UPC: # 71924214538
• Thread Size: 3/4-16 Inch
• Height (in): 5-1/8 Inch
• Outside Diameter (in): 3-3/4 Inch <— wider base
• Anti-Drainback Valve Included: Yes

209a: https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/c/mobil-1-filters/mobil-1-oil-filter/m1f0/m1209a

• Warranty: Manufacturer's Defect Warranty
• Unit of Measure: Each
• UPC: # 71924214484
• Thread Size: 3/4-16 Inch
• Height (in): 4-3/4 Inch
• Outside Diameter (in): 3 Inch
• Anti-Drainback Valve Included: Yes

102a: https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/c/mobil-1-filters/mobil-1-oil-filter/m1f0/m1102a

• Warranty: Manufacturer's Defect Warranty
• Unit of Measure: Each
• UPC: # 71924214323
• Thread Size: 3/4-16 Inch
• Height (in): 3-3/8 Inch
• Outside Diameter (in): 3 Inch
• Anti-Drainback Valve Included: Yes

 

[snowglobe]

Also, is there anything which will make the oil meniscus stand out better on the dip stick, or more definitively read the stick? I find it very difficult to see the wetting of the stick with fresh Mobil 1 oil.

I have sometimes resorted to carefully putting the stick on fresh paper to see where the paper is stained. I’ll “stick“ with that.

 

[2001LC]

For the most part I use OEM oil & Air filters. If using Mobil 1 EP 20K miles oil, and expecting more than 7K miles between oil changes. I than use the Mobil M1-102 which is rated by Mobil 1 for extended performance (EP) up to 20K miles, in the 4.7L 2UZ.fe. The M1-209 is said to be the same fitment, just larger. But frankly what do we gain, other than needing to add more oil. Some say we cool better. But that's not job of filter. That is job of oil cooler, filter attaches to. Will larger have more filter medium, perhaps. But Mobil 1 states M1-102 is made for 20K miles. If more filter medium in the larger 201 or 301, does it reduce oil flow throughput IDK. But we do not want restriction of oil flow..

Reading fresh oil line on dipstick is tricky. First pull out stick from warmed up engine, ~10 minutes after engine shut down. Place dipstick back in after wiping dry, with wording face right side up (readable from side of vehicle). This wording orientation is key. If using paper towel trick, and wiping backside of stick. You'll 8 out of 10 times get a false high oil reading. As we get a different reading on back side of stick most times, from a recently shut off engine. Very good lighting and a right angle is also key. Look for difference in sheen on dip stick. Look as soon as dipstick removed. Keep point end down or level, so oil doesn't run up dipstick.

 

[snowglobe]

I look for sheen on edge with direct lighting, I just rediscover how hard it is to see every time I do it. There’s practically no meniscus or color with Mobil 1 5w-30, and the hatching on the level readout area of the stick doesn’t hold on to much extra.
Someone had mentioned in another thread, I can’t find it, that they treated their dipstick with something which made it have a larger meniscus without otherwise significantly contaminating the system.
Some harmless coloring agent would help, if there is such a thing for motor oil. A little methylene blue would go a long way but I don’t know about its safety in this context. There are apparently dedicated some oil dyes for sale, to aid leak detection.

 

[abuck99]

Get some good glasses and head lamp.

Using M209 supposedly increases filter area- Although I’ve never cut either open to measure filter paper so I can’t confirm. Doubt it does anything to improve oil cooling. I’ve used the 209 for 5 yrs + the synthetic media claimed to provide 99% efficiency at 30microns (which isn’t as good as some other options that filter to 20mic’s at 99% efficiency - but that’s a thread on its own) regardless at 5-6k OCI.

 

[sunfic]

Put in 7 quarts and the stick reads full if I'm reading it correctly. What I don't understand is this:

The 100 owner's manual says with an OEM filter an oil and filter change will require 6.8 L (7.2 US quarts) for a refill.

But the Mobil 1 container says it holds 1 US quart (946 ML) of oil.

So according to Toyota a liter is less than a quart, while according to Mobil it is more than a quart?

Using Mobil's data, 7 quarts is equal to 6.62 liters, which according to Toyota is not enough even enough for an oil refill using the smaller OEM filter.

Using Toyota's data, 7 quarts is not enough for a refill using the smaller OEM filter.

Am I misreading oil dipstick, or are my calculations off somewhere?

From my experience, 7 quarts is perfect fine.