LC250 Stop Sale
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You've clearly never driven a Cummins 6.7
Heck, VW's diesels were fantastic until the emmissions cheating scandal
Had a 2015 sportwagon that got mid 40's mileage all day every day with power that shamed gassers
I've put money down on the last of the G5 4R's and will put my 2019 G5 4R up for sale after I take delivery.....its as close as I can get to ideal daily driver without a diesel and MT avail.....its pretty much bomb proof reliable, easy to maintain and parts are plentiful and reasonably priced.
A 4R with something like a 2.8 turbo diesel would get nearly 30MPG all day/every day and be simple to maintain
Its tragic that the UK is getting a diesel 250 while the US gets the AWD prius version
Are you having to wait for a 24 4runner? Dealers in my area are pretty stacked
Lotta money for an "old" vehicle. To each his own though
Its in transit apparently.....1-2 weeks I've been told.
The manufacturing process and component design on the G5 4R is "Mature"
Some people like new/cutting edge.....a vehicle to me is a tool.....I want the best/most reliable/most affordable tool to suit my needs.
I got burned bad on 1st gen tundra and will never again be a "paying tester" for Toyota or any other company
Not the Cummins 6.7, but the several of the pre-2007.5 24V 5.9s (great motor) and new 6.7 PSD (overly-complicated POS - 10,000 miles on the odometer and I had to disconnect the battery to get the fuel/water separator to reset after a drain). The power/torque/MPG is certainly good, reliability and easy-of-service is not. I've also been stuck on the side of the road on commercial diesels when they started cutting power due to a loose emissions control sensor connector.
While the Cummins may be great, unfortunately it's bolted in a low-quality Stellantis-built truck.
My personal diesel is a 24-hp, non-electronic, Japanese-built Yanmar that is small enough to be exempted from EPA emissions regulations. It uses very little fuel and will probably last 30+ years with normal maintenance.
I seriously considered buying another 6.7 Cummins attached to a 2500 as a DD instead of the 4R
Mileage is about the same
Cummins will probably outlast the 4R gas engine
QC on the RAM and "Fiat" products is super high the last couple years
Parts are avail and not particularly expensive
Its a super plush ride
Downside are things like brake backings that dissolve/rust and require replacement prematurely and wheel bearings that dont have great longevity......and are a pain in ass to replace
Some factory parts are stoooopid expensive.....clutch/dual mass flywheel from dodge is 3 times the price as a better quality replacement from south bend clutch
As a whole the 2500/3500 is similarly mature as the G5 4R.....not a lot of surprises.....issues are well documented....they've been making essentially the same truck for 11-12 years now
The level of complexity and fact that everything about the 250 is new/untested scares risk averse buyers like me away
I'll let you all work out the bugs
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Those trucks are super popular around here. Many of them are rusting at the wheelwells and rocker panels. Very cheap feeling interiors. The older versions usually have peeling clearcoat and lots of electrical problems. Not on the same planet as my GX for build quality and reliability.
However, folks absolutely do keep them in the road for decades as farm and work rigs. And spend a lot of time fixing them
However, folks absolutely do keep them in the road for decades as farm and work rigs. And spend a lot of time fixing them
I currently have an 80, 100 (470) & 200 amongst others.
I went to a dealership and sat in a 250 LC and was not impressed.
It could have been any other modern car. Nothing about it was remarkable in the slightest. The only thing that I really recall liking was the seat fabric.
It was like a Camry or Highlander in build quality to be honest. I think they really missed the mark with this 250
ryanjl
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Since you say "seat fabric," I'm assuming you sat in a 1958.
Shouldn't be a shock that a 1958 isn't a luxury car, like the rest of your Land Cruisers were. It's intentionally not one.
Shouldn't be a shock that a 1958 isn't a luxury car, like the rest of your Land Cruisers were. It's intentionally not one.
They actually hit the mark bullseye. They were aiming to bring Landcruiser back to its roots, (think FJ62/60) and nailed it as far as the interior is concerned
Yes it was a 1958 version.
That being said, I'd rather sit in my 40 or 60 series as they feel the Landcruiser part.
This new one to me just felt like every other rental car I've ever sat in.
To each his own I guess.
rgsiii
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I have a 2022 Tundra that the engine failed at 45K. I was given a RAV4 as a replacement for a month.
I now have an expensive vehicle that had a new short block and everything replaced by an unknown mechanic at my local dealership. I had other complaints about the vehicle that essentially had no response from Toyota.
Until now I have loved all my Toyota vehicles. This has given me real concerns and on my Montana trip this fall, this vehicle (if I still have it) will stay at home and my 1994 LC or my LX570 will go. A sad state of affairs.
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That's incredibly frustrating. If you wanted a rav4 - you would have bought a rav4. IMO Toyota should at least be extending a full warranty on the engine to 10 years and 150k miles like they do for the EV batteries. Toyota says the trucks are expected to have a 30% longer service life than the cars, so maybe a bit more.
