LC250 Stop Sale

[CarcaineProblems]

Just would love to know if it feels like a natural extension of the LC lineage. I only have a couple of local friends that have test driven the new LC250 and were not thrilled at how it felt.

Power is good, hybrid tech was cool, but quality of materials felt more inline with the 4R rather than any prior US LC.

The 550 is probably closer to the prior LCs. The Lexus will likely have the higher quality materials, sound deadening etc.

I love that it has the original wheelbase, the upgrades to infotainment etc were much needed. I just don’t have the level of confidence in the powertrains (yet) that would want to have…

Hard to say if its a "natural extension of the LC lineage". That's a marketing phrase. If I was forced to answer I'd say NO, because no car in 2024 feels like a car from 1983 or 1990.

How is the noise level and seat comfort compared to the 100 and 200 in particular? I’ve got a 550 place in line and, while I have not had a 100 or 200 my brother has had both and I’m familiar with his.

We have a 5th Gen RX so I know the tech package on the 550.

My 200 seemed quieter at hwy speeds, but this GX is about the same as the 100 on the hwy. However, getting up to speed, there is more engine noise. But it has more power, way better mpg (I get 19 mpg at 80 mph) and doesn't gear-hunt like my 200 did.


I wish it was a bit wider. I like that it's short. It is comfortable and rides pretty good for what it is. (body on frame, solid rear axle, short wheelbase, springs)

 

[Brown98LC]

man this TNGA-F roll out has been a nightmare
I know its normal for new products to have issues, but very single body one frame truck has had annoying issues and some of them continuing still 3+ years after debut.

 

[Brown98LC]

regarding wind noise
I wouldn't expect the 250 to be quieter than the 200, especially when you consider the US got a highly specced 200.
The 200 is a more premium vehicle, regardless if it's older.
The LX more specifically will definitely be quieter than any 250.
I say this because I own a 2014 LX 570 and a 2024 LC 300.
My 2014 LX is quieter.
The 300 is a mid spec version, if I compared the higher spec versions or LX 600 it would be a more fair comparison.
The 250 being lower in the hierarchy will probably be comparable to the insulation/sound reading of a mid level LC 300, if not slightly worse.

 

[Brown98LC]

remember while the 250 is the current Land Cruiser and the follow up of the 200 in the US, in reality its still a Prado and the successor of the 150.
It will be better than a 200 in some ways because its a more modern vehicle, but its design standards and specs also have limitations on certain things, based on price, product placement and all that stuff. So keep that in mind when comparing it vs 200.
If they wanted to they could have made the 250 better than a G wagon but obviously that's not what it's meant to be. It is the Land Cruiser for the masses, the easy Land Cruiser to drive, and live with without being too overpriced like its bigger brother, or too agricultural like the 70 series. A nice lifestyle Land Cruiser that makes you feel adventurous and fun while still being a serious machine.
It is still early days, it'll have a long life cycle for sure and they will fix things for sure where they see fit.

 

[Tigerstripe40]

The question I keep wondering about is, if I am going to spend $50k on a used SUV, should I get a 16+ J200 with low miles or get a CPO J250?

 

[OSS]

The question I keep wondering about is, if I am going to spend $50k on a used SUV, should I get a 16+ J200 with low miles or get a CPO J250?

Put it another way-
When the 250 is 5 years old, which one would you rather have? A used 250 or an older used 200?

If you’re planning on keeping your next vehicle a really long time, the 250 will have a least at decade longer of parts support

 

[Brown98LC]

.. double post delete

 

[CarcaineProblems]

Regarding all the hype on the engine recall, here's my unsolicited thoughts.

If you trust Toyota to do what's right and you have a warranty, then it should all work out? Maybe some time driving a RAV4, but for some that's not the worst thing? Also, maybe the issues have been resolved with these newer engines? Time will tell...

 

[Rednexus]

Regarding all the hype on the engine recall, here's my unsolicited thoughts.

If you trust Toyota to do what's right and you have a warranty, then it should all work out? Maybe some time driving a RAV4, but for some that's not the worst thing? Also, maybe the issues have been resolved with these newer engines? Time will tell...

That depends on one's personal financial situation, overall risk tolerance, and how long they want to keep the vehicle. Maybe Toyota will make it right, maybe they won't. Despite me not being in the market for one of these vehicles right now, if I was, I would personally not want to make a $60-90K total investment based solely on manufacturer trust. I also tend to keep my vehicles 10+ years, so long-term, post-warranty reliability and residual resale value are the main factors in every vehicle I buy.

Toyota had the market cornered in both of those items. If my GX was totaled today, I'd buy a later-model 460 while the 250/550 platform reliability becomes more proven.

 

[ryanjl]

My 250 is a 1958 Edition, so there's no stop sale in place.

It was loaded on a train in Portland on June 7. Today, it was seen on a train in Montana. The going is apparently slow. At this rate, I hope my Land Cruiser does not die of dysentery.

 

[Jetboy]

Regarding all the hype on the engine recall, here's my unsolicited thoughts.

If you trust Toyota to do what's right and you have a warranty, then it should all work out? Maybe some time driving a RAV4, but for some that's not the worst thing? Also, maybe the issues have been resolved with these newer engines? Time will tell...

I hope Toyota fixes it the right way and takes care of customers.

When the 2nd Gen tundra came out I recall examples where Toyota would pick up the failed Tundra and swap with a short term lease on another new one while they swapped engines in the early Tundra that had issues. I don't see that kind of effort being made now. Maybe they'll turn this around.

One big help would be making sure they can provide trucks as loaners or figure out how to have fully dressed long-block replacement engines in stock. Even if they're reman engines. Having them ready to swap would go a long way toward making it an in and out process instead of a week or two at the dealer. If I have to drive a rav4 - I'm left without the utility that I need from having a truck. I tow and haul regularly with my truck and I'd have to go rent a truck if the dealer had mine for an extended period. I can get by for a day or two. I can't for a week or two without renting one. If my Lexus is in for warranty - Lexus will give me the same vehicle as a loaner. Toyota should be doing the same. They can't sell the Tundras they have anyway, might as well use them.

I'd wait until Toyota confirms the fix before buying either way. If Toyota decides to just offer a warranty and fix as they fail until warranty is out and then leave owners with the full cost after that - I think I'll pass on owning one until they've proven a reliable fix. That's another 3-5 years to have some real world results. If they offer a fast swap program, full cost coverage for coming to get me AND my trailer wherever it breaks down and tow them back to my house regardless of where this happens - then I'd be more inclined to look at one again vs sticking it out with my 2nd gen.

If the LC250 stop sale is just a drain hose issue - I wouldn't think twice about buying one manufactured after the recall date. That should be an easy fix in production. I haven't heard anything about that engine having issues. Seems like almost universally positive response to it.

 

[rexington14]

I'd wait until Toyota confirms the fix before buying either way. If Toyota decides to just offer a warranty and fix as they fail until warranty is out and then leave owners with the full cost after that - I think I'll pass on owning one until they've proven a reliable fix. That's another 3-5 years to have some real world results. If they offer a fast swap program, full cost coverage for coming to get me AND my trailer wherever it breaks down and tow them back to my house regardless of where this happens - then I'd be more inclined to look at one again vs sticking it out with my 2nd gen.

If the LC250 stop sale is just a drain hose issue - I wouldn't think twice about buying one manufactured after the recall date. That should be an easy fix in production. I haven't heard anything about that engine having issues. Seems like almost universally positive response to it.

With the NHTSA safety recall in effect, just offering an extended warranty is not going to cut it. Any affected vehicles need to be repaired, replaced, or refunded. That's the law.

We just need to understand how Toyota is going to test and / or determine if a particular vehicle within the listed production periods is affected... if it's even feasibly possible. And if it's not, all of the vehicles should end up receiving the remedy.

 

[Jetboy]

With the NHTSA safety recall in effect, just offering an extended warranty is not going to cut it. Any affected vehicles need to be repaired, replaced, or refunded. That's the law.

We just need to understand how Toyota is going to test and / or determine if a particular vehicle within the listed production periods is affected... if it's even feasibly possible. And if it's not, all of the vehicles should end up receiving the remedy.

Remember when they had the saddlebag fuel tanks on the GM trucks and the fix was a $500 discount on a new GM product? Lol. I know things have changed a lot. But sometimes the fix isn't much of a fix. TBH I don't think engine failure is a major safety concern for me. I guess not in the sense of an immediate harm - I go to some pretty remote places where it would have been a very real safety issue 10 years ago. Now with easy satellite coms - its more of a frustration and expense than a life threatening problem. I'm a lot more interested in the $30K+ price tag and the hassle of being without a truck for weeks or more. Will be interesting to see what the fix is.

I can't imagine a sunroof drain tube is a safety issue for the LC250 unless it's pouring into the headliner and down on the driver's head or something.

 

[04UZJ100]

Regarding all the hype on the engine recall, here's my unsolicited thoughts.

If you trust Toyota to do what's right and you have a warranty, then it should all work out? Maybe some time driving a RAV4, but for some that's not the worst thing? Also, maybe the issues have been resolved with these newer engines? Time will tell...

You trust a Toyota dealer to replace an engine? Have you seen the pictures? Parts all over the ****ing place. Toyota dealers/techs are not engine builders or machinists.

 

[vantage78]

Hard to say if its a "natural extension of the LC lineage". That's a marketing phrase. If I was forced to answer I'd say NO, because no car in 2024 feels like a car from 1983 or 1990.




My 200 seemed quieter at hwy speeds, but this GX is about the same as the 100 on the hwy. However, getting up to speed, there is more engine noise. But it has more power, way better mpg (I get 19 mpg at 80 mph) and doesn't gear-hunt like my 200 did.


I wish it was a bit wider. I like that it's short. It is comfortable and rides pretty good for what it is. (body on frame, solid rear axle, short wheelbase, springs)

Does the GX trim level determine the amount of acoustic glass? I seem to recall reading something about the luxury and overtrail trims having both acoustic glass on windshields and side, whereas the others only have the acoustic glass on the windshields…..unfortunately I can’t find it anywhere now.

 

[Roonie]

My ford f150 ecoboost 2014 platinum had its engine replaced twice in 60k miles. Each time they had my truck for over a month and gave me a tiny loaner not equivalent vehicle to use. It was a very disappointing experience. It also left me stranded 2 states away and I had to leave it at the dealer and fly back another time. All during their factory warranty period. I don't own that truck anymore.

 

[tacoshawn]

Does the GX trim level determine the amount of acoustic glass? I seem to recall reading something about the luxury and overtrail trims having both acoustic glass on windshields and side, whereas the others only have the acoustic glass on the windshields…..unfortunately I can’t find it anywhere now.

The LC owners manual confirms laminate (acoustic) glass only in windshield.

The GX OM indicates laminate glass in all windows (Page 508 of the OM).

 

[OSS]

Here’s the fix:

 

[CarcaineProblems]

@04UZJ100 uuuhh, I hope to god Toyota doesn’t say “I expect you mechanics to disassemble, repair and reassemble the engine”.

My expectation is they throw in a short block, maybe even a fully dressed long block

We can debate if they’re capable of that job, but there’s now way they are doing a rebuild

 

[rexington14]

Remember when they had the saddlebag fuel tanks on the GM trucks and the fix was a $500 discount on a new GM product? Lol. I know things have changed a lot. But sometimes the fix isn't much of a fix. TBH I don't think engine failure is a major safety concern for me. I guess not in the sense of an immediate harm - I go to some pretty remote places where it would have been a very real safety issue 10 years ago. Now with easy satellite coms - its more of a frustration and expense than a life threatening problem. I'm a lot more interested in the $30K+ price tag and the hassle of being without a truck for weeks or more. Will be interesting to see what the fix is.

I can't imagine a sunroof drain tube is a safety issue for the LC250 unless it's pouring into the headliner and down on the driver's head or something.

Thinking about it, it is a little bit surprising that the V35A engine failure even "qualified" as a safety recall. I wonder if the NHTSA would even have gotten involved had Toyota not done the voluntary recall.

Anyways, I could be wrong, but I don't think the fact that you could break down far away from home or in a remote place plays into the safety aspect of the recall.

"Loss of motive power" at high speeds was the reasoning... so, the driver just loses the ability to accelerate? Is electric power steering affected? I'd assume not and you'd at least have a shot at pulling over before losing momentum. Braking, other safety systems (BSM, hazard lights, etc) should all continue to operate fine?

The "high speeds" scenario doesn't even sound like the worst case. People dramatically slam their brakes on the highway all day, every day.

The biggest risk scenario I see to simply losing acceleration is probably something like making a left turn on a green without the arrow, losing the engine just as you initiate the turn, leaving you slowly coasting to a stop stuck in the lane of the oncoming traffic.

I would be curious if there have been ANY accidents as a result of the 824 documented failures - let alone a crash with injuries or fatalities.