I'm going to go with whatever a manufacturer does they do across the board with the premium lines receiving more sound proofing with thicker materials and glass. The rest is nothing more than creating a positive narrative spin out of necessity.
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It makes perfect sense. As I’ve point out to you twice, the sound a door makes can be tuned by the manufacturer. That is, the manufacturer can change the way the door clink sounds without any significant changes to the body structure.
So the sound it makes is not indicative of the strength or quality of the structure, as the article I provided explains. You are simply unwilling to change your assumption.
They have a budget for engineering. How much time should they put into making the door clunk sound good versus more substantive?
You don’t like the way the door abounded on video so now you know that it is a bad vehicle?
I’ve been driving a 200 for the last 7 years. How the door sounds when I close it is the least important thing about the vehicle for me.
There's a mountain of research on this subject. I think mfgs seem to spend a lot of effort on perfecting it. Just a few examples:
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Why would Toyota purposefully design the door clunk to sound like a tin can? Other than it being made out of cheaper and thinner materials to end up with a byproduct of that tin can sound.It makes perfect sense. As I’ve point out to you twice, the sound a door makes can be tuned by the manufacturer. That is, the manufacturer can change the way the door clink sounds without any significant changes to the body structure.
So the sound it makes is not indicative of the strength or quality of the structure, as the article I provided explains. You are simply unwilling to change your assumption.
They have a budget for engineering. How much time should they put into making the door clunk sound good versus more substantive?
You don’t like the way the door abounded on video so now you know that it is a bad vehicle?
You can’t make a flute sound like a tuba with enough “tuning”. The material composition clearly plays a role.
The car door clunk is actually very important if you are dropping 80k out the door with tags and taxes… We should expect more from Toyota.
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True, but you have to admit it is very satisfying...at least it is for me. Every time I drive my 200 the build quality, the quiet cabin, and everything else about the driving experience is very rewarding, then I pull into the garage and close the door...aw yes there is no question, it's a Land cruiser!
FWIW, After driving our 100 series for many years, I finally had the chance to ride in a Sequoia that was 10 years newer. The first thing I noticed were the light and tinny doors of the Sequoia when I closed them.
After watching the reviews by Throttle House on both the 550 and LC, I think the 550 is going to find it's way into our garage by the end of 2025. Based on the roughly 400 lb difference in the two chassis, I'm guessing the GX has more sound deadening and weight in some key areas like the doors. It may seem silly to some, but even after the 25 years, our 100 series still feels like it's part tank.
We've also owned our 100 for 21 years and 290,000 miles, (330,000 total miles) so it's safe to say we keep our vehicles for a longer time than most consumers. I'll gladly pay the higher initial price and longer term fuel costs for the nicer interior, smoother and more powerful engine and 10 speed transmission and better trailer towing capabilities. Both are nice vehicles, but at the end of the day, I have to give the nod to the GX 550.
I'll still probably keep the 100 around along with my 80 series for a number of years to come.
After watching the reviews by Throttle House on both the 550 and LC, I think the 550 is going to find it's way into our garage by the end of 2025. Based on the roughly 400 lb difference in the two chassis, I'm guessing the GX has more sound deadening and weight in some key areas like the doors. It may seem silly to some, but even after the 25 years, our 100 series still feels like it's part tank.
We've also owned our 100 for 21 years and 290,000 miles, (330,000 total miles) so it's safe to say we keep our vehicles for a longer time than most consumers. I'll gladly pay the higher initial price and longer term fuel costs for the nicer interior, smoother and more powerful engine and 10 speed transmission and better trailer towing capabilities. Both are nice vehicles, but at the end of the day, I have to give the nod to the GX 550.
I'll still probably keep the 100 around along with my 80 series for a number of years to come.
Same reason Toyota used a 5 speed for 20 years in the 4Runner that is the same transmission a the 6 speed in the GX but doesn't shift into 6th gear. Or why you can't get a V6 in the LC, Tacoma, or 4Runner. Heck, Toyota took the existing 3.5 V6 in the is350 and wrote new software to detune it to make a new is300. Doesn't always make sense but Toyota sandbags some models to separate them.
The door sound is psychologically important for many buyers. That's why they put so much effort into such an otherwise meaningless thing.
Now the doors I had on my armored solid axle 105 in Iraq....those were some heavy MF's and closed with a resounding thud. Didn't want to think about getting your fingers mashed in those doors. Easily 150 lbs each with 1.5 inch thick glass (that still rolled down) and they were hung off of factory hinges to boot. The whole rig probably tipped the scales at 9-10K. The armored 200 series I recently rode in in Israel were 10,000 lbs. They had a nice thud too.....
… this “Picture thread” has seemingly devolved into something a little less enjoyable. Maybe this will get things back on track.
Got into Moab today for my second Cruise Moab event - as we were at registration picking up our swag after vehicle inspection, I noticed a printout offering first look + a drive in the new J250, alongside some coordinates. We legged it to the location 20 mins away and found two LC’s and two Toyota staff, who promptly gave us 15 min rides and allowed us to talk their ears off/examine the rigs.
IG reel for those so inclined:
Photos for those less social media inclined:
Surprised at the size of the 250 - smaller than I expected, as others have mentioned.
Aesthetically pleasing, torque on tap was impressive, ride was good and handled well in sand and moderately technical bits. Driver view is fantastic and windows are cut just right.
Not too happy with the raised cargo floor and narrow, tight squeeze in back half. We’ll see what the aftermarket comes up with re drawers/sleeping systems. (Paging @Air Down Gear Up …)
All in all, matched up to what I’ve read in reviews this week. Glad to see it in person and thankful for the opportunity to experience the ride!
Got into Moab today for my second Cruise Moab event - as we were at registration picking up our swag after vehicle inspection, I noticed a printout offering first look + a drive in the new J250, alongside some coordinates. We legged it to the location 20 mins away and found two LC’s and two Toyota staff, who promptly gave us 15 min rides and allowed us to talk their ears off/examine the rigs.
IG reel for those so inclined:
Photos for those less social media inclined:
Surprised at the size of the 250 - smaller than I expected, as others have mentioned.
Aesthetically pleasing, torque on tap was impressive, ride was good and handled well in sand and moderately technical bits. Driver view is fantastic and windows are cut just right.
Not too happy with the raised cargo floor and narrow, tight squeeze in back half. We’ll see what the aftermarket comes up with re drawers/sleeping systems. (Paging @Air Down Gear Up …)
All in all, matched up to what I’ve read in reviews this week. Glad to see it in person and thankful for the opportunity to experience the ride!
Some media hit the Japan Land Cruiser channel.
Toyota Launches All-New Land Cruiser "250" Series in Japan | Toyota | Global Newsroom | Toyota Motor Corporation Official Global Website - https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/40658942.html
Collaboration with Toy Factory on OEM parts, including a bed for the back cargo area: トヨタ ランドクルーザー”250” カスタムスタイル | トヨタ自動車WEBサイト - https://toyota.jp/info/landcruiser250/250customstyle/
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interesting to note
the LC250 starting price is higher than LC300 starting price in Japan.
I would never ever not in a million years pick a 2.8 diesel 250 or a 2.7 hilux engine base 4 cylinder Prado over a 3.5 TWIN 6 409hp GX LC300.
This is worrying because it means they will for sure increase LC300 prices in future, probably use spec updates as an excuse.
LC 250
LC 300
the LC250 starting price is higher than LC300 starting price in Japan.
I would never ever not in a million years pick a 2.8 diesel 250 or a 2.7 hilux engine base 4 cylinder Prado over a 3.5 TWIN 6 409hp GX LC300.
This is worrying because it means they will for sure increase LC300 prices in future, probably use spec updates as an excuse.
LC 250
LC 300
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Yes sir - three pairs of ceiling vents. Doggo friendly (I also wanted to know for ours!)
No need to know the why's but all I am gonna say is God bless you and protect you, always. 
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PS: the "thunk" sound, is important !
.PS: the "thunk" sound, is important !
FANTASTIC 
. Thank you very much for sharing this !
So , yes... At least the Land Cruiser Prado LC250 / Land Cruiser trim does have AC in 2 and 3rd row ceiling !
And the music of your video just made the decision for me: LC250 / Land Cruiser, is the one ! I am gonna miss the KDSS though.
. Thank you very much for sharing this ! So , yes... At least the Land Cruiser Prado LC250 / Land Cruiser trim does have AC in 2 and 3rd row ceiling !
And the music of your video just made the decision for me: LC250 / Land Cruiser, is the one ! I am gonna miss the KDSS though.
YES ! you can see them in the pics !
So, yes, the LC250/LC trim, does have them as shown in the pre product model !
Cool but why tf doesn’t the GX OT have them
Some media hit the Japan Land Cruiser channel.
Toyota Launches All-New Land Cruiser "250" Series in Japan | Toyota | Global Newsroom | Toyota Motor Corporation Official Global Website - https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/40658942.html
Collaboration with Toy Factory on OEM parts, including a bed for the back cargo area: トヨタ ランドクルーザー”250” カスタムスタイル | トヨタ自動車WEBサイト - https://toyota.jp/info/landcruiser250/250customstyle/
Very interesting…
The 250 is our ticket to Van Life??? I’m so confused rn…
