OK, did some reading around here, but I'm getting conflicting opinions on the suitability of the OEM PS pump on an FZJ to power a hydraulic winch. Could somebody who actually has one (LT?) tell us whether it works OK or not in practice?
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All Ive heard is that hydralic winches couldent pull the skin off a custard.
A good electric Warn 9000 pounder is the bees knees.
A good electric Warn 9000 pounder is the bees knees.
Electrics are fine if you don't mind spending additional money on a second battery, a battery box to put it in, an isolator, and a second set of cables. This done, you still have a winch that doesn't like water/mud and probably couldn't pull it's full drum of cable without overheating or even frying.
Hydraulics are waterproof, require no additional hardware other than the power steering hoses that are included, and though a bit slower, can pull constantly without ill effect. Ask yourself.... When was the last time you saw any kind of professional recovery truck with anything other than a hydraulic set-up?
Hydraulics are waterproof, require no additional hardware other than the power steering hoses that are included, and though a bit slower, can pull constantly without ill effect. Ask yourself.... When was the last time you saw any kind of professional recovery truck with anything other than a hydraulic set-up?
MSGGrunt said:
I don't know about frying but while an electric winch might be rated at a certain pull strength on a particular layer of the drum. Once started that motor will heat up and heat means higher amp draw and lower power output.
But if a hydraulic will pull 12k on the first layer, it's 12k start to finish without stopping.
I use a 12,500 mile marker with one battery and haven't had any issues, yesterday I recovered a Ford F150 that had slid off the trail and was headed over a very steep ledge. We had to snatch block to a tree above the trail and tie off the Cruiser to another tree to get him up over the edge.
I've said it before, hydraulic winches don't work upside down.
I've said it before, hydraulic winches don't work upside down.
I've been keeping an eye on hyd. winches for while and it sure seems like the got a lot of bad press in states years back and haven't recovered. After getting my dad's mog setup with a hyd. winch I think they are the cats a$$. I'll ditto MSG's statement:
TI, good point but if you're on your roof you other issues.
My concern is the toyota PS pump. If you owned a Ford, Chevy, etc there are several options for increased durability, flow and pressure. Can the LC pump handle it long term?
MSGGrunt said:
TI, good point but if you're on your roof you other issues.
TiredIronGRB said:
My concern is the toyota PS pump. If you owned a Ford, Chevy, etc there are several options for increased durability, flow and pressure. Can the LC pump handle it long term?
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e9999 said:
Yep-That' pure physics.
The hydraulic winches are everything but easy and fast. Electrics are easier to set up, faster, and work with the truck not running. The hydraulics are slow, reliable, waterproof etc.
I've only seen a MM used once in anger so to speak, and it was fine. It does take a long time to wind in the cable, and that's running on a higher pressure Saginaw pump.
Bottom line: if you need a winch, nothing else will do, so get the best you can afford.
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not so sure about this "being slow" business. The MMs have 2 speeds. The fast one is darn fast, over 40 fpm or so if one believes these specs and IIRC. And under load, they hold their own too, apparently.
Working as a house mover, I have used a variety of winches, PTO, hydraulic, and electric. The heaviest electric was by far too light to do "real" work. The ONLY advantage to an electric winch is being able to use it with the engine off, and that not for long.
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91 FJ-80 Ms. Piggy
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I asked Milemarker about using a hydraulic winch on an 80, and they told me that they would work, but that the pull would only be something like 75% of the rated force. They said this was because of the low power steering hydraulic pressure in the 80s.
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alia176
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Eric,
What exactly do you want to hear on this :shotts: topic? This is an entirely subjective topic - just buy the damn thing and find out for yourself the things that everyone has been stating all along. They're a work horse, slow and can run all day long when the engine is running. If you want it to go faster, then install the proper pump - which I know you won't be doing
Ali
What exactly do you want to hear on this :shotts: topic? This is an entirely subjective topic - just buy the damn thing and find out for yourself the things that everyone has been stating all along. They're a work horse, slow and can run all day long when the engine is running. If you want it to go faster, then install the proper pump - which I know you won't be doing
Ali
TiredIronGRB said:
Yes you have and I always get a laugh out of it.
e9999 said:
Yes Eric but I was referring to the pull for a single wrap. With an electric winch as you work the motor it heats up and the power output drops with that heating. So if you start a pull with the motor cold it will pull at full strength initially and start to drop off as it heats up. So at the start of the first wrap it will pull at say 12k, but if you pull heavily for that whole first wrap it won't be 12k at the end unless you stop and let the motor cool off.
This isn't the case for Hydraulic as it is smooth continuous power through that wrap regardless if you stop or not.
Also with Hydraulics you have two things to consider with the pump. That is pressure and flow. Pressure will relate to how much power the winch will develop and flow will relate to speed at which the winch will run. I talked at length to an avid Jeep guy about this and with them the killer is flow. The stock pumps on Jeeps produce enough pressure but the flow is down and the winch runs incredibly slow and that's the reason for them to use another pump. At least that was his reasoning.
IBCRUSN said:
First of which would be to get back on your wheels
Ok a small hijack but what about a pto driven hydraulic pump, to power the winch.
I have used this setup in a full size pu and a 2 ton ... both work really well just make sure to disengage the pump before driving down the freeway.. or you will be buying a shaft... and rebuilding a pump.. the only real drawback is having to have a hydraulic tank to supply the pump...
I have used this setup in a full size pu and a 2 ton ... both work really well just make sure to disengage the pump before driving down the freeway.. or you will be buying a shaft... and rebuilding a pump.. the only real drawback is having to have a hydraulic tank to supply the pump...
too bad our T-Cses does have a PTO cover like the 60 series do, you coluld put in whatever pump you wanted.
how about fabing up some brackets and mounting a clutched deticated pump for the winch?
how about fabing up some brackets and mounting a clutched deticated pump for the winch?
