Imagine the looks when the Canucks go on their summer holidays to the USA in shiny new 2017 V8 diesel 79 series dual cabs LOL.
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hoser
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If the 2017+ 70 series is ever indeed sold in the Canadian market, it will most likely be importable into the US.... just as the BJ70 and BJ60 were.
Never happening. Ever.
hoser
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There's a whole slew of small, industrial vans that have become popular in the US in the past few years. Ford Transit Connect, Ram Promaster City, Nissan NV200, MB Metris. There could a market for a small, industrial 4wd pick-up truck. Hino could manufacture it in the US or Canada to avoid Chicken tax and outfit them with one of their diesel motors. C'mon Hino 79 series. 
There's a whole slew of small, industrial vans that have become popular in the US in the past few years. Ford Transit Connect, Ram Promaster City, Nissan NV200, MB Metris. There could a market for a small, industrial 4wd pick-up truck. Hino could manufacture it in the US or Canada to avoid Chicken tax and outfit them with one of their diesel motors. C'mon Hino 79 series.
Here's to hoping...I'll keep my fingers crossed regardless...and I am actually looking at the Metris instead of a minivan/SUV for my about-to-grow family. Wish they brought it over in a stick though!
Tapage
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I like the positive environment here .. but you guys realize what it takes to produce a LHD 70 series with a V8 on it ..? the most you can hope for it's any of the 1GR versions .. if that much.
Are they making a LHD V8 diesel version anywhere?
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Not at the moment Rosco. The intercooler needs to be redesigned for brake and clutch clearance, turbo piping to steering shaft would also be an issue with LHD.
All the places that 99% of people actually go in Canada are accessible by highway.
I highly doubt that many people in this country would take a new cruiser over an F350 (or Dodge, or Chevy) given the price that the cruiser would sell for and its relatively low power, payload, and towing capacity in comparison.
That said, I would love to be proven wrong. BJ70's were sold here and not in the USA.
RoscoeFJ73, it would indeed be good fun to drive into the US with a shiny new 2017 diesel 79; one could get mobbed, i imagine.
Douglas S, that's my fantasy too, but i emphasize 'fantasy'; and i agree with Beno completely. Since the Canadian market is so geographically and socially similar to the American one, i find it very easy to think that Canucks are used as a test market; Cruisers were available here in the 70's and 80's, and i still remember people back then talking about how solid they were, all while speaking in distressed tones about the purchase price.
You look at Toyota's business practices, and there are reasons that corporation is one of the world's largest auto manufacturers, right up there in the top two; if not #1 (ichiban!), then damn close: they've learned how to maximize profit. Say, for example, a Formula 1 team's budget for a year is atronomical (which it is); Toyota had a go at it, and i cannot be convinced that company has a lack of funds for such an endeavour. Yet they gave it up after a few short years; i've no idea of the details why, but i'm willing to wager it was because it didn't make enough business sense to proceed with a racing team in that series.
Land Cruisers in North America have the same issue. Notice how, for years and years, a lot of cars exported to the NA market are loaded? That just means more profit; a niche market car, say, a 70 series, just isn't worth the investment to certificate it for this continent, no matter what it does for the reputation of the manufacturer. Keep in mind that the closest thing NA gets to a proper Cruiser is called a Lexus GX570 (or whatever they're called these days), it might have extinct baby seal eyes for headlights, suede-coated con rods, whale liver coolant filters etc etc; nothing one in his or her right mind would take for a good weekend bash in mud and dirt and streams and so on. Not to mention a longer drive in the rough.
And Douglas S is on: the majority of buyers will see what their dollar buys, and a 6.7 litre diesel sounds like more bang for the buck than a 4.5 (not to mention all the luxo goodies and the interior space), no matter the long-term reliability and existing world-wide reputation of Cruisers.
The North American market has made its choice: we buy, generally speaking, cars that really are no more than transportation appliances; convenience and ease-of-use sells. Too bad for us.
Having said that, most appliance buyers seem satisfied, huh! I mean, apart from car freaks like us, i hear no complaints.
Douglas S, that's my fantasy too, but i emphasize 'fantasy'; and i agree with Beno completely. Since the Canadian market is so geographically and socially similar to the American one, i find it very easy to think that Canucks are used as a test market; Cruisers were available here in the 70's and 80's, and i still remember people back then talking about how solid they were, all while speaking in distressed tones about the purchase price.
You look at Toyota's business practices, and there are reasons that corporation is one of the world's largest auto manufacturers, right up there in the top two; if not #1 (ichiban!), then damn close: they've learned how to maximize profit. Say, for example, a Formula 1 team's budget for a year is atronomical (which it is); Toyota had a go at it, and i cannot be convinced that company has a lack of funds for such an endeavour. Yet they gave it up after a few short years; i've no idea of the details why, but i'm willing to wager it was because it didn't make enough business sense to proceed with a racing team in that series.
Land Cruisers in North America have the same issue. Notice how, for years and years, a lot of cars exported to the NA market are loaded? That just means more profit; a niche market car, say, a 70 series, just isn't worth the investment to certificate it for this continent, no matter what it does for the reputation of the manufacturer. Keep in mind that the closest thing NA gets to a proper Cruiser is called a Lexus GX570 (or whatever they're called these days), it might have extinct baby seal eyes for headlights, suede-coated con rods, whale liver coolant filters etc etc; nothing one in his or her right mind would take for a good weekend bash in mud and dirt and streams and so on. Not to mention a longer drive in the rough.
And Douglas S is on: the majority of buyers will see what their dollar buys, and a 6.7 litre diesel sounds like more bang for the buck than a 4.5 (not to mention all the luxo goodies and the interior space), no matter the long-term reliability and existing world-wide reputation of Cruisers.
The North American market has made its choice: we buy, generally speaking, cars that really are no more than transportation appliances; convenience and ease-of-use sells. Too bad for us.
Having said that, most appliance buyers seem satisfied, huh! I mean, apart from car freaks like us, i hear no complaints.
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Just found something interesting. This is a general spec vdj200l. Notice the missing intercooler, rerouted turbo piping and factory egr delete. Maybe with this platform, they have a 1vd that would go into a LHD 70 series.
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Interesting...I wonder what the outputs of that are.
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136kw/430nm. Also has a manual box behind it in the 200.
I agree with you but I would argue that is the also the case for Australia and Africa, the markets where the 70 Series has it's largest market.
In Australia, the 70 is largely an 'appliance' for the mining or farm markets. In the US, there is the F150 (or the GMC or Dodge competitor) which takes that segment. For markets that are not the US, American full-size trucks are expensive and don't have the dealer support or reliability that Toyota has. Similar things to be said for Africa. I think it is the same reason that the 70 is used as the platform for special forces in the Middle East- it is the best appliance for the job.
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I'd imagine a $65K-ish EXL model [or whatever the nicely trimmed one is] would sell in good numbers here. Plenty of people dropping $45K on 4 door jeeps and even more for Grand Cherokees, Sequoias, etc, especially in my neck of the woods [New England]. Retro is "in" and for styling and pomp alone Americans pay big bucks--look at the Gwagen. Plenty of people are punting up similar money for Ford Raptors. I'll keep the hope alive, now that Toyota is basically the only company making this type of truck in this format, why not see if they can invest a bit of coin and sell 20,000 more a year in Canada and the US?
How beautiful is this?
A 5 speed....no glitchy screens.....actual robust knobs for the AC and heat
cheap. reliable. tried and true.
Even the GXL (top model) is a very very spartan car compared to anything in that price range. It has central locking, electric windows and a cupholder. They don't even have electric mirrors. A base model Wrangler is better equipped.
Here's Toyota AUs page for the current model VDJ7xs
Range & Specifications | LandCruiser 70 | Toyota Australia
If I look at the European market it shows that the 70 series was as good as dead from 1998 and on when the only available 70's where HZJ74,HZJ75 (or is it 78 and 79 for pu and troopy?)
Prices went up from the previous 6 lug Cruiser and people started buying lower priced double cab PU like the Hilux,Frontier,L200 and a few others because they could do the same things with them but save thousands on purchase price.
Tecnicaly if someone in Europe still wants a NEW lhd Cruiser they can get them to alternative channels with an extra cost albeit...... very very few are still sold new !
In the US market I think it would not make sense to bring a new 70 series because most of the people screaming to get them now will probably change there mind when a 70K plus utility vehicle is available here. Big difference between wanting/wishing and actually be ready to put those hard earned $$$ on the table.
I still remember when I walked in the Toyota dealership in 2002 and priced out a new HZJ74 complete with lockers and a/c. Price was gonna be 1300000 Belgium francs more or less 40K $ 15 years ago and the fact that I just bought a house that needed total renovation made me decide I was gonna wait a few years...........We all know the HZJ74 was no longer fabricated and I still wish I would have swallowed that bitter pill and got a payment on that Cruiser :-(
Joe
Prices went up from the previous 6 lug Cruiser and people started buying lower priced double cab PU like the Hilux,Frontier,L200 and a few others because they could do the same things with them but save thousands on purchase price.
Tecnicaly if someone in Europe still wants a NEW lhd Cruiser they can get them to alternative channels with an extra cost albeit...... very very few are still sold new !
In the US market I think it would not make sense to bring a new 70 series because most of the people screaming to get them now will probably change there mind when a 70K plus utility vehicle is available here. Big difference between wanting/wishing and actually be ready to put those hard earned $$$ on the table.
I still remember when I walked in the Toyota dealership in 2002 and priced out a new HZJ74 complete with lockers and a/c. Price was gonna be 1300000 Belgium francs more or less 40K $ 15 years ago and the fact that I just bought a house that needed total renovation made me decide I was gonna wait a few years...........We all know the HZJ74 was no longer fabricated and I still wish I would have swallowed that bitter pill and got a payment on that Cruiser :-(
Joe
Tapage
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All beauty .. but different engine .. twin turbo vs single turbo on 70 series .. again, I would love to see a twin turbo 4.5 in a 70 series .. but highly doubt that ..
I have heard about this model ,has barn doors grey vinyl int ,possibly comes with a 5sd manual as well. I think its the UN spec model a replacement for their HZJ105
