Is a 70 Series right for me? (1 Viewer)

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Hello all. I’m a brand-new Mud member who has been a longtime Toyota truck owner going back to the early 90’s. I currently have a 2002 Tundra 4X4 Access Cab 4.7L that has served my needs extremely well for the past 20 years, and with only 165K miles on it, should give me many more miles of service. I primarily use my Tundra to tow my boat, and I have regeared it with 4.88’s. But I have no lockers, and just a basic 2” lift (Bilstein 5100’s/Stock TRD springs/Hellwig helper springs in the rear). I’m still on stock-sized tires – 31’s.

Over the past two years or so, I’ve had the opportunity to go wheeling with some friends who have been into it a long time. They have very capable rigs, decades of offroad experience, and some have extensive mechanical knowledge. At this point, I’ve only ridden along with them, but I’ve had a blast and it is something I want to do more of. Of course my friends are encouraging me to either build up my Tundra, or acquire a dedicated wheeling rig of my own. They’re all Jeepers, so they would prefer I get a Jeep too, so they can laugh at me when I break it.

I have been a casual member of the Tundra forums for years, so I’m pretty familiar with the options that exist to make a Tundra a bit more capable off-road, but I am not sure the investment is worth the potential results you get. I think it would make a great trail rig, but that’s not really what these guys do. They generally don’t do multi-day trips, or camp out much. It’s mostly just day trips where they try to get into the rough stuff, and their rigs have the bumps and bruises to show it. I would prefer to keep my Tundra in good shape for towing and general use around town. So I’m looking into getting something else that is more capable than my Tundra, and eventually, up to the challenge of occasional rock crawling.

So here I am, lurking on Mud for a while, and now looking at getting a Cruiser. I am aware that the market demand for them is at an all-time high. But I’m confident that I can hunt something down that will work for me.

One of my other hobbies is RC Crawling. I’ve got over 20 heavily-modified RC crawlers – many of which are Toyotas. My absolute favorite rigs is a leaf-sprung 70 Series pickup. It’s very much on the scale side of things, so not the most capable rig I have at all, but I have a lot of fun picking lines and finding ways to get over obstacles that would be no challenge at all for some of my linked/coil sprung rigs with big tires.

So far in my search for a rig, I have been mostly looking at 80 Series Cruisers or LX450’s. I like 80’s a lot, but just haven’t found one at the right price yet. The other day, I stumbled across a listing for a 70 Series for sale here locally – a Japanese market HZJ73 which is has been legally registered and plated here in CA since 2016. It has the EPA Certification plate in the engine bay, and the sticker in the door jamb. Two other owners have been able to successfully register it in CA since it was imported.

This particular HZJ73 is equipped with a 1HZ and a 5-speed manual. It has about 195K on it. The chassis is clean and rust-free, and the body is straight, but the clear coat is shot. I don’t really care about that. It’s mostly stock, except for aftermarket bumpers, sliders, wheels/tires. I think the leaf springs are aftermarket as well, but I don’t know which kind. They look to be very heavy duty.

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I’m guessing most would probably recommend an 80 series for a newb like me, but I think it would be totally cool to have an all leaf-sprung 70 Series. I don’t need daily driving comfort. I just want it to be reasonably capable on the trail and in the rocks occasionally. While probably not as easy as a LHD Auto, I can drive a RHD manual. Am I barking up the right tree with this 70 Series?
 
How mechanically inclined are you? Or do you know any mechanics that would be able to work on a 73? How good are you at Toyota Partsology?

I feel like if you are not familiar with working on Toyota’s and finding parts for them, you’re potentially asking for a frustrating time. If you don’t mind learning and being patient with it, I think the 73 would be a great truck. If you don’t, and want it to be “turn key” for the next 10 years, I think you’ll be disappointed, annoyed, and frustrated with a 7x series.
 
So far in my search for a rig, I have been mostly looking at 80 Series Cruisers or LX450’s. I like 80’s a lot, but just haven’t found one at the right price yet. The other day, I stumbled across a listing for a 70 Series for sale here locally – a Japanese market HZJ73 which is has been legally registered and plated here in CA since 2016. It has the EPA Certification plate in the engine bay, and the sticker in the door jamb. Two other owners have been able to successfully register it in CA since it was imported.
Welcome to mud. I'm sure you would be fine with an HZJ73 although my preference would be a '96 or '97 80 series. Just as or even more capable and definitely more comfortable to drive on and off road. FWIW, if it has an EPA plate under the hood then someone put it there. It didn't come from the factory with one. Perhaps that was someone's clever way of getting it through California registration easier? Would be an interesting back story for sure.
 
Heed these other peoples advice. 👍

As far as rock crawling a 73, in stockish form you will be disappointed. Suspension flex is very minimal. SWB while good for some things will be bad on steep climbs or descents. Now you can improve it some what economically but you are either going to need money or skill or both. A low SoA is cheapest but still a fairly big can of worms and you need a balance with height vs width to do well offroad. Stretching wheelbase and doing a 3 or 4-link is going to be far more expensive and requires a lot more skills plus tools. Then you have got a truck most people do not want to bash on rocks since they we never sold here. Initial cost to acquire one is also a negative as the buy price is not chump change

You want a Toyota rock crawler, buy a mini truck, at least to be realistic, affordable, easy to work on, very capable and easy to acquire. You can buy nicely built and set up mini trucks for $10-20k. You are going to be A LOT more than that to get a stock 73.

You want an overlanding Cruiser, get an 80 or Troopy or a variety of others.

You want a super cool Cruiser that can do it all “ok” on the softer side of things and run around topless, get a 73.

If ya got some fairly sizable funds and or mad skills, get a 73 and modify it to your heart’s desire. It can do what you want but it is not cheap or for the faint at heart or even easy for that matter.

Most folks I know with a 70-series, it is not their first or only Cruiser. I personally don’t think this is a good entry level Cruiser. Stick with the more common USA models.

Cheers
 
Hello,

Quite likely you are barking at the right three.

At 25+ years 70 Series paint begins to peel off.

73 Series make great project rigs and grocery/stuff haulers. And they are quite capable off road in stock form; all they need are good tires.

Whatever tire size you choose, make sure the width is below 10.5 inches. Wider tires rub and eat axle bearing.

For serious rock crawling you will need extensive modification.

Make sure you put/have good shock absorbers in your leaf spring 73 Series.







Juan
 
Thanks to all who replied... you all made good points, and I will ponder them. I am not expecting a turnkey crawler, and I do have basic wrenching skills and tools, and and have done some of the work on my cars and my trucks. There is also a very reputable independent Land Cruiser specialist in my area that I know has experience with the 70 Series.

I had a hunch the leaf spring suspension might be a limitation without serious modifications. Going SOA is probably more than I'd want to take on. I've seen another HZJ73 that has been converted to SOA, and it looks really top-heavy on the trail. That one's on 37's though. The one I'm looking at has 315/75/16's which I know are pretty big as well. I didn't detect any rubbing on the brief test drive, but it could be a different story out on the trail. Interestingly, the current owner did just have the wheel bearings replaced. Sounds like I'd need to go with something narrower.

I don't know... overall now I'm a bit torn. This 73 looks the part, and has a lot going for it, but may not be the right platform. I like first gen 4Runners and mini-trucks. I just haven't come across any nicely built ones in the $10K to $20K range yet. An 80 is still an option as well.
 
I seen a lot of SFA mini trucks and 1st gen 4Runners in the $8-12k range. Set up well and ready to rock, in California. They are faaarrrrr more common than a 73! If ya got a Tundra, you could get one and even get a nice aluminum trailer to haul it with for any far from home trails. Probably get both for the price on a nice 73. Don’t know $$$$ on the 73 you are looking at is and the Cali title is certainly a solid point but look at the classified here for 70-series. Nice ones go for $25-35k, LHD commands more $$.

Here is a PZJ70 we built. Slightly shorter wheelbase than a 73. Front and rear E-lockers on 33” rubber with standard OME suspension besides BP51’s. Off-road using lockers and full suspension flex is in the video. It also has a coil conversion on the front axle.



Now if that suits your needs, the 73 checks out and the price is right, go for it. I use OnX Off-road for trails, I would say a 70/73 with lockers, bumpers, sliders and basic suspension can handle a 6 rated trail on a 1-10 scale they use. Beyond that will get you body damage and require better suspension. Depending of course on your driving skill. 😊

Cheers
 
Also if you want to see a fully built out “rock crawling” 73 check out @joekatana he has gone all out and does wheel it hard in the rocks. He has a build thread here.

I had a slightly similar Patrol 10yrs ago.

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37+” rubber to run the 7+ or double black diamond trails here in the west. I ran 40’s on the Patrol and it could do all your 7-9+ trails but being a full bodied truck I did smash it a few times even with armor. Big truck = big rocks. An 80 will do it too but as soon as you go 37’s and big rocks and hard trails they get smashed, to much sheet metal and big butts. I have an FZJ80 on 35’s and I don’t run it on harder than 6 trails and have rock rash from those 6’s. Just not smashed.

If you want to run with the heeps and Rubicons on the hard rock crawling trails I just don’t think a 73 fits the bill unless you are ready to modify it. Manual trans in the rocks takes more driving skill as well. I am building an 80-series turbo diesel pickup right now for myself to run the 7+ trails on. 😊 Ton of work and $$$ 🙄

Cheers
 
FWIW, the 73 sounds like a potential unique rig and if you got to stay die hard Toyota the short wheel base will help you with the harder obstacles. With enough skill and resources I'm sure an impressive rock crawler could be accomplished. I just wheeled my 4 door 70 series in Moab and it was a good time but the vehicle def has limitations when it comes to rock crawling. Hate to say it on the forum but as much as I like the many cruisers I have owned, I also have really enjoyed the 2 Wranglers I have owned. Get yourself a nice JK and make it easy on yourself. Cruisers, 4runners, GX's and Tacomas are impressively reliable and capable vehicles but rock crawling is not really where they shine. Just my opinion.
 
Thanks for the additional replies. Everything you are saying makes perfect sense, and I should probably have realized most of this stuff myself. Not that I'd ever say they are a perfect parallel to an actual vehicle, but there's a reason all my hardcore RC rock crawling rigs have the equivalent of 42's and are pinched, doved, boat-sided, and/or exo-caged . I may have reevaluate my intended use and goals. I'm not in a rush to make a purchase. Maybe all I need is a rig for the milder trails, and I shouldn't be concerned about venturing into the rougher stuff. I do enjoy that, but I could just keep riding along with my buddies in their Jeeps for those times when bigger rocks are on the menu.
 
An HZJ73, fully locked will take you way further than your body-damage-o-meter will let you go. You can run a "low" SOA on 35's or 37's and do some pretty crazy stuff.
You don't NEED any super fancy suspension, and crazy links super modern to do some crazy things. The bigger the body on the rig, the greater the body damage. How much can you afford?

A case for leaf springs....
Justin Reece is a long time rock crawler turned desert racer in 2009 when he raced his 1977 FJ40 to a 35th place finish at KOH to become the first full frame full body to finish KOH. He codrove Mike Klensin 4431 car from 2010-2015 with a 9th over all in unlimited. Justin built the 4619 car in 2013 to get back to his wheeling roots. He has gone on to be the most winning Toyota in Ultra4 history with several podium finishes including 1st place in 2019 and 2021 at King of the Hammers and 1st at Beat Down at BFE Moab in 2021. He manages RustyNailRacing in Ridgway Colorado and is a Battalion Chief for the USFS in Western Colorado.

So what is this 4619 car??? Yep, SOA Toyota truck, 150hp 22RE, stock transmission with marlin crawler and D300. Obviously it's built with nice parts, purpose built and Justin is a hell of a driver.

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I would go this route if I were building a rock basher for sure. Simple, tried and true.




Plenty of flex for all except for extreme trails...body damage will happen lol. This was my 80 on 35's, about 15 years ago. Suspension options have come a long ways since 2006.

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I have a 2006 tundra double cab. It's a flipping luxurious rocket compared to my BJ74. 0-60 ~7 seconds. Triple that for an HZJ73.


All that said, if you want a cool rig that will do plenty of trails up to your damage tolerance, an HZJ73 is about as cool as it gets. Take the top off, enjoy the scenery and uniqueness of not driving something everyone has. Therapeutic driving my BJ74. The tundra...meh it's a tool, carry things A to B.

Gotta figure out what you want.
 
Any 73/74 registered in CA is kinda rare and will become more rare over time. If you can get it for a good price, buy it until you can decide if it's right for you. ;)
 
The 70 series isn't for people who don't want to chit chat 8 times out of every 10 stops. Especially if it is RHD and/or has a snorkel. At least some people are nice and keep the convo short and sweet.

That is why I am driving a nissan cube majority of the time....no one bothers me when I stop and it is a tool to get me from A to B like FJBen stated...nothing more. Saving fuel helps a lot too.
 

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