Ineos Grenadier (1 Viewer)
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Pura Vida
What an absolute noob
Yea, the Germans make really good engines but they are extremely complicated, and probably not comparable at all to a 2F or anything. Especially the new bmw engines. Pretty sure you have to go to a bmw school or something to understand how it works, even if you are mechanically inclined. Fixing them is probably 30% physical and 70% computer
Repairing an engine in a German car:
Step one: remove the engine.
Hello,
Provided the Grenadier makes it to the market at an affordable price, some questions remain.
British design and parts. German engine and transmission. I do not know where the axles come from. French assembly. Too much complexity -even before considering the German engine- simply because of the varied component sources.
You can get the FSM and tools. Who do you go to for a spare part? No PartSouq or NAPA to help here. And once the ECUs start acting up, who do you ask for the software map?
Agrale and Mahindra solved this problem by using off-the-shelf components for their Marrua and Pikup, respectively. They also kept the design simple. But this comes at a cost: both vehicles are perhaps too spartan to many.
Too many unknowns, I am afraid.
Juan
Provided the Grenadier makes it to the market at an affordable price, some questions remain.
British design and parts. German engine and transmission. I do not know where the axles come from. French assembly. Too much complexity -even before considering the German engine- simply because of the varied component sources.
You can get the FSM and tools. Who do you go to for a spare part? No PartSouq or NAPA to help here. And once the ECUs start acting up, who do you ask for the software map?
Agrale and Mahindra solved this problem by using off-the-shelf components for their Marrua and Pikup, respectively. They also kept the design simple. But this comes at a cost: both vehicles are perhaps too spartan to many.
Too many unknowns, I am afraid.
Juan
Pura Vida
What an absolute noob
Agreed. I think Ineos could turn into a thing like Tesla however. A niche startup manufacturer that could rapidly grow with effective marketing. Obviously from the start it will be very uncertain, but they spared no expense, and I’m sure they have very strong axles and simplistic design outside the engine. They built this for the aftermarket as a defender replacement really. Parts availability will be bad initially but I bet it will get better after a few years.
Pura Vida
What an absolute noob
Pretty sure they didn’t have 15 billion+ euro income for years on end before they even started making cars. The fascinating part about this one is that it’s from one of the biggest companies in the world
I wouldn't even be convinced to give it a lick if it does not have the diesel option.
I mean if an African-American billionaire can start throwing battery packs in to clapped out Lotuses/Loti and develop a semi legitimate car company with extremely questionable ethics and safety practices, who says these guys can’t?
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Yeah, the Ineos is made from leftover Yugo parts that American deposits paid for
Hello,
Do not hold your breath.
Let us see whether the Grenadier goes beyond the prototype stage. And then let us see whether it finds a niche in the 4WD market.
Juan
Is Romanian. Last longer than Gypsy curse.
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In a world of disappearing solid axle ,chassis built vehicles , we should be more thankful. I think only Toyota, Jeep and the little boxy Suzuki offer a solid axle now.
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They are awaiting in plague numbers with their polo ponies getting restless or hunting dogs humping their legs.
I predict it well sell well initially, but if it turns out to be a liability and with fast depreciation, it will be a dead duck. Or , if its successful they might sell it to Chinese interests for a big payday.
I’d buy a Jimney.
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Is it meant to be Jiminy as in Jiminy Cricket, or is it an Asian person with poor English skills trying to say Jimmy? No diesel version.
The Jimny Santana had a diesel option.
The Carlos Special edition.
mudgudgeon
Resident galah
If they market it as niche item for the well-heeled socialite soccer mom or celebrities, I can't see it having wide spread success.
If its cheap enough to be bought by more average Joe types, and really gets put through its paces in the mud and rocks without too many failures it might go somewhere.
Mercedes Benz G-Wagen was touted as a competitor for Landcruisers in Australia. They had some pitiful failures on early extended media test drives in the outback.
No idea on price point, but don't see G-Wagen anywhere outside of Toorak or Bellevue Hills.
If its cheap enough to be bought by more average Joe types, and really gets put through its paces in the mud and rocks without too many failures it might go somewhere.
Mercedes Benz G-Wagen was touted as a competitor for Landcruisers in Australia. They had some pitiful failures on early extended media test drives in the outback.
No idea on price point, but don't see G-Wagen anywhere outside of Toorak or Bellevue Hills.