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mudgudgeon
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I would say 80k if they can be efficient with the manufacturing. It’s not supposed to be super duper luxurious, not like a land cruiser or anything, but higher quality than a jeep, although it will have less horsepower. I think it will be good competition for high spec jeeps and Broncos. Not quite G wagon or LC300 territory. More like LC70 territory. Expensive but not as much as the premium ones
Since many of you are lukewarm serious about this coming to the US, why is that I keep hearing on this forum that a 70s series Land Cruiser which is pretty damn solid but brutally simple in its construction cannot be sold in the United States because of how primitive it is, but this primitive truck built by lackadaisical Frenchmen with an infinitely complex BMW engine would somehow be successful.
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Successful? Probably not. Cool? Yes. I think it’s pretty set in stone that it will come to the US pretty soon after release. Just gotta hope it’s nice enough for the average wealthy american, but also cool enough to live up to the expectations
They sort of did gussy up the 70 series and bring it to the US. They called it the 80 series. Quiet, nice ride with all coil springs, triple locked, power windows and seats. The Grenadier appears to be much more refined than the current 70 series. But we’ll see how the real world comparisons go when they happen.
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The 70 was designed in the 80s and the grenadier started design in like 2015 or something so comparing it to the 70 series is more comparing the idea than the actual vehicle. Utilitarian ladder frame 4x4 is basically all they share, although the grenadier is nicer than a standard utilitarian truck. More like a modern car in terms of technology, but not too complicated. Has apple CarPlay but no fancy traction control or sensors or anything.
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What keeps the 70s out of the US market?
Emissions?
Crash safety?
Or something political? Or cold hard finances?
If a 200 series can comply with import laws, it can't be that hard to re-work the 70 series as it's been upgraded over the years if there's a market for them.
They did quite a bit of re-engineering to fit the VDJ V8 engine and radius arm coil sprung suspension in them to cater to the Aussie market.
Also, I think Australia's crash safety laws are as stringent as any other country? (happy to be corrected on this)
Emissions?
Crash safety?
Or something political? Or cold hard finances?
If a 200 series can comply with import laws, it can't be that hard to re-work the 70 series as it's been upgraded over the years if there's a market for them.
They did quite a bit of re-engineering to fit the VDJ V8 engine and radius arm coil sprung suspension in them to cater to the Aussie market.
Also, I think Australia's crash safety laws are as stringent as any other country? (happy to be corrected on this)
Mostly because Toyota realizes that, beyond a few enthusiast, the 70 Series would be a dismal seller.
Toyota has always felt there was no market for it. We have an extensive interstate system and road network system. The one thing the 70 series excels at, we don’t need. The farm boys are all driving one ton pickups that are towing over 30,000 lbs. Jeep guys will just drive Jeeps. Toyota has never sold a diesel Land Cruiser in the US. I don’t know that the emission requirements are stricter, but I do know they are different than Europe. It forces re-tuning and expensive testing. With fuel stations everywhere range requirements are lessened here.
Toyota provides vehicles they think will sell in certain markets. Ineos is building a vehicle they hope they can find a market for.
For the Ineos to sell here, it has to do well on the highways and the malls.
Toyota provides vehicles they think will sell in certain markets. Ineos is building a vehicle they hope they can find a market for.
For the Ineos to sell here, it has to do well on the highways and the malls.
I have to agree with the two previous posts. I've never met a farmer that drives a Cruiser or anything like that here. Maybe their wives do but then it's a suburban or something similar to haul all of the rugrats around in. Farmers here drive heavy duty trucks. Ain't got no time for a mid sized SUV regardless of the engine.
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Will Woody give its own forum? The FJCruiser got one when it was still an embryo.
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Lack of extra large cup holders apparently. They would have to redesign the whole cab.
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"What self respecting American is going to buy a French car?"
No, but you can wrap it!
Pickups and Suburbans were fine when they didn’t cost $80,000.
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The 70 just doesn’t seem realistic. They couldn’t sell the pickups because of the chicken tax, so it would only be the shorty, troopy, and 4 door. No 75 or 79. It is way more expensive than a wrangler, not as luxurious, and a lot tighter interior. Americans demand luxurious rides, and that’s why we get the Tacoma instead of the hilux. I don’t know why anyone would spend 70k on a 76 when they could get a 4Runner for half that, and have a lot nicer car with a still capable vehicle
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That’s the main thing about the grenadier that beats the 70 and makes it more reasonable: it’s luxurious and “jeepy” in character, and right now those are very hot in the market. It’s also supposed to be a lot better seating than the defender, despite its appearance. This isn’t a dressed up car from 1988, it’s a brand new car with modern and luxury in mind in the design stage