In tank fuel pump???

[chicago]

Any ideas for an in tank fuel pump for a custom of aftermarket tank???
Found a link off Pirate

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SOOOOPER spendy for the dual pump pictured, but I called the guy (super nice guy!!!) and he also makes a single pump set up. He's gonna get back to me about the price, so well see. Im thinking it might be cost prohibitive, though.

Looking for other ideas and options BESIDES in line pumps.

 

[Poser]

Why must it be in tank?

 

[MANUCHAO]

Check out this thread..

https://forum.ih8mud.com/60-series-wagons/394565-tank-fuel-pump-conversion.html

 

[Mace]

I think there are good pics of the in-tank pump I oI put in Bob in my build thread.

Personally, I really am a fan of in-tank pumps. They tend to stay cooler and function longer than the external options.

 

[CruisinFJ60]

I agree with Jason, however I also feel a GOOD in line pump mounted back near the tank or right beside it will last just about as long if not as long. the mistake I see most is people mount the in line pumps to far forward making the pump suck the fuel to it. They are designed to push not to pull and any pulling they do is hard for them. But that is also why an in tank works so well, they have no choice but to push.

That said I got me an inexpensive summit brand in line pump for my 2F-E. Guess we will see how long it last.

 

[chicago]

Why must it be in tank?

Poser...It doesnt NEED to be in the tank, but in researching what pump to run Ive come across HUNDREDS of posts about the in line pumps going out with SHOCKING frequency...Now, that said, there are always follow up posts stating that if its set up properly, this wouldnt happen. Im building my tank NOW, so now is the OPTIMAL time for me to decide what the BEST and most reliable route to take would be and in my travels, the in tank pump seems to be the most reliable long term method. The biggest down side I have come across is that its a PITA when it DOES go...however, I cut a trap in my floor pan that I can very easily cut an access in for ease of removal. If you have an inline method in mind that would be AS RELIABLE, PLEASE feel free. It seemingly would make my life a TON EASIER to do it that way vs. the in tank route.

Check out this thread..

https://forum.ih8mud.com/60-series-wagons/394565-tank-fuel-pump-conversion.html

This is the SH!!!!!!T! Exactly what I was looking for!!!! Thanks so MUCH for posting this link. Its perfect because it mimics the stock fuel set up. Did you actually go forward with this and do it?
I was looking at the stock pumps like used in the thread, but I HATED the idea of it just sort of floating in there....seems that the vetteworks ring clamps the assembly down??? If so, that may be the route I take with this. Im holding on building the sump FOR this reason. Plus, its nice the depth of the pump can be set. I wasnt sure how that would work as in all the pics I had seen it looked FIXED. YOU DA MAN!!!!!

I think there are good pics of the in-tank pump I oI put in Bob in my build thread.

Personally, I really am a fan of in-tank pumps. They tend to stay cooler and function longer than the external options.

This is all I have read and why the hunt to find an option for me.
Ill check out the "bob" thread...any idea what page its on? your thread is about as long as mine.

I agree with Jason, however I also feel a GOOD in line pump mounted back near the tank or right beside it will last just about as long if not as long. the mistake I see most is people mount the in line pumps to far forward making the pump suck the fuel to it. They are designed to push not to pull and any pulling they do is hard for them. But that is also why an in tank works so well, they have no choice but to push.

That said I got me an inexpensive summit brand in line pump for my 2F-E. Guess we will see how long it last.

Hate to tell you this, but the summit sales guy said that they have a TON of problems with failures on their pumps...just sayin!!!

The other reason...Ive also read that the INLINE pumps SHOULD be mounted at a lower point than the tank. My SUMP will be apporx. 3 in BELOW the bottom of the tank which means for optimal function and longevity of the pump, it would have to be positioned BELOW that. There is not much for me to mount it BELOW that.

See pic.

 

[Mace]

https://forum.ih8mud.com/hardcore-corner/67423-project-bob-32.html#post2742787

 

[chicago]

https://forum.ih8mud.com/hardcore-corner/67423-project-bob-32.html#post2742787

Okay...next question then...
WHAT IS IT AND WHERE DID YOU GET IT?
Any issue with it? You just sort of glossed over the important details in the builld thread there.

 

[Mace]

Well, the part on the tank was just some aluminum pucks that Dahondagod had sitting around. he drilled and tapped the lid.

There is a rigid bar that I threaded (1/4" IIRC) and tapped into the top cap. To the bottom of the bar I welded a small piece of angle iron to "hold" the pump itself by using a hose clamp. The return line is directly threaded into the top cap and just dumps fuel back on to the pump (nice if you have a sump to keep the fuel in there). The fuel pump is for a mustang, you can probably find a chevy variant at summit easily (Edelbrock 3581 - Edelbrock High-Pressure Fuel Pump Kits - Overview - SummitRacing.com). The ground wire for the pump grounds to the 1/4" bar that holds the pump in place (you can see the wire that kinda sticks out about midway up the assembly). The power lead goes through the top cap and is insulated with nylon washers and bushings so it is fuel safe and seals well.
I used a bulkhead fitting on the pressure side of the fuel line. It goes straight through the head and then has a barbed fitting on the "inside" side to hook it up to the fuel pump itself. It really is simple believe it or not. You could just as easily do it out of steel.

 

[chicago]

Well, the part on the tank was just some aluminum pucks that Dahondagod had sitting around. he drilled and tapped the lid.

There is a rigid bar that I threaded (1/4" IIRC) and tapped into the top cap. To the bottom of the bar I welded a small piece of angle iron to "hold" the pump itself by using a hose clamp. The return line is directly threaded into the top cap and just dumps fuel back on to the pump (nice if you have a sump to keep the fuel in there). The fuel pump is for a mustang, you can probably find a chevy variant at summit easily (Edelbrock 3581 - Edelbrock High-Pressure Fuel Pump Kits - Overview - SummitRacing.com). The ground wire for the pump grounds to the 1/4" bar that holds the pump in place (you can see the wire that kinda sticks out about midway up the assembly). The power lead goes through the top cap and is insulated with nylon washers and bushings so it is fuel safe and seals well.
I used a bulkhead fitting on the pressure side of the fuel line. It goes straight through the head and then has a barbed fitting on the "inside" side to hook it up to the fuel pump itself. It really is simple believe it or not. You could just as easily do it out of steel.

Easy for an egg head engineer!!!
If I built that, Id be worried Id short out IN THE TANK and blow my ass up....
Great set up though.

 

[chicago]

Mace's pump set up!

 

[Mace]

Easy for an egg head engineer!!!
If I built that, Id be worried Id short out IN THE TANK and blow my ass up....
Great set up though.

Geologist


Considering that is pretty much how all stock in tank setups are designed, I's pretty safe. At least it seems to be, Bob has not blown up yet

I have faith in you.

 

[chicago]

Geologist


Considering that is pretty much how all stock in tank setups are designed, I's pretty safe. At least it seems to be, Bob has not blown up yet

I have faith in you.

Same thing!

Thanks...Im glad that YOU do!

 

[MANUCHAO]

This is the SH!!!!!!T! Exactly what I was looking for!!!! Thanks so MUCH for posting this link. Its perfect because it mimics the stock fuel set up. Did you actually go forward with this and do it?

Yes, this is how I ran it.. here are some pics...
GM pump on stock configuration and mechanical toyota sender on the left

Costume build tank around 40 Gal.

 

[MANUCHAO]

Here is the way I have my Wix filter set up..

 

[chicago]

Here is the way I have my Wix filter set up..

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No issues with it?

Thanks for posting the pics amigo!

About how much was the total for ALL of it? Looking at the prices for the pump and vette plate, the costs add up pretty quick.

 

[CruisinFJ60]

Hate to tell you this, but the summit sales guy said that they have a TON of problems with failures on their pumps...just sayin!!!

It was CHEAP, I can carry a spare if I need to.
I got it cause when I bought it a couple of years ago I was BROOOOKE (well still am but on a different level. LOL). If I could do it over I would have gotten a better pump. hopefully I dont have any issues.

Time will tell.

Same thing!

Thanks...Im glad that YOU do!

I got faith in ya too, so stop being a poon and get-er-done!

 

[MANUCHAO]

No worries eh !!
Glad I can help !!!

Yes, it does add up FAST !!
I got the filter at napa was $44 and the fitting where around $11 to $15 but they are so damn easy to assemble that you either forget what you paid for them or realize why you pay so much for them... so all an all around $90.. I only used 3 fittings as I had an earl fitting for the fuel pump....

 

[chicago]

No worries eh !!
Glad I can help !!!

Yes, it does add up FAST !!
I got the filter at napa was $44 and the fitting where around $11 to $15 but they are so damn easy to assemble that you either forget what you paid for them or realize why you pay so much for them... so all an all around $90.. I only used 3 fittings as I had an earl fitting for the fuel pump....

Soooo with the cost of the pump and the plates looking about three bills?
I might have missed it, but is there a sending unit on that pump too?
Looks like it MIGHT have with the 2 electric ports on top?

 

[MANUCHAO]

The fuel pump does have the sending unit..as Im running the evap stuff but I havent found a way to wire it up to the stock fuel gauge so I just used the mech fuel sending unit......

You can buy a used electric fuel pump for cheap on ebay...
I made the mistake of buying a new one that was supposed to self regulate as my engine is a returnless (one plenum only) but it didn't....that's why I ended up using this set up......