H55, Manual Transfer Case and everything needed to convert. Value? (1 Viewer)

[Ian Crawford]

I personally hate "what's this worth threads" BUT here I am writing one.

Hypothetically speaking, what would be a good deal on everything someone would need to put a H55 in a early 60-Series?

We're talking H55 w/ manual transfer case, bell housing, both drive shafts, shifters and cross member. All used but all functioning. Trans was purchased new in 2008 ish... No more than 50-60K miles.

*Not the actual unit, it's a bit more greasy.

 

[3_puppies]

which crossmember? the 1 piece? the 3F bellhousing would be needed also. or with mods could use there existing bellhousing and 3 piece crossmember.

$2500??

 

[GeologistFelix]

Consider this: if you want a five-speed in a 60 or 62, there are only really options.

1. Buy a new OEM one and the bits to actually make it work for ~$3000 (possibly slightly less if you have a late 85-87 FJ60, definitely more if it's an earlier 60 or a 62 because they can't borrow as many parts from the original setup).

2. NV4500, which probably also means thousands of dollars for an engine swap, even if you got a crazy good deal on the gearbox (and there seem to be a whole lot fewer of those showing up than, say, 5 years ago. Same goes for any other 5-speeds I know about, but with less availability of adapters, generally speaking.

3. Get a used H55 somewhere like Mud or Craigslist, and I'll guess that there are probably zero available anywhere near you at any given time, and zero that are for a 2F/H/HZ engine rather than a 3B on your same continent. Chances are, if you wait and an H55 does show up for sale, it'll be either totally trashed and still $2000, in Australia, or it comes with a bunch of extra stuff that you might not even need (see: the setup you describe), and the seller is asking considerably more than the ~$2700 that a brand new one costs before shipping/shifter/hardware/gaskets/etc.

If it was anything *other* than a Toyota part, for old trucks, that never appeared in any trucks when they were sold new in the US, there'd be #4, which is 'get a rusty, greasy used one from a junkyard for $800 and rebuild it in a few years if it starts to get noisy,' and Option #3 wouldn't usually be 85% of the cost of brand new components.

To actually answer your question:
- You'll sell the H55 by itself really fast if it's less than ~$2500
- If you want to sell the whole 'kit,' you're going to have to wait a lot longer, even if you go crazy low with the price because driveshafts/t-case/crossmember are a little crazy to *ship.*

 

[Ian Crawford]

Good catch @3_puppies, not sure which cross member off the top of my head but bell housing is included. This was out of a 1983 and would be going into my 1983.

Speedo cable is there too, I mean everything.

 

[Seth S]

A new H55 is $2500. FYI.

 

[psulick3]

Are you selling the set up? My'84 needs a 5 speed and a re-gear so I'm in the market!

 

[cruisermatt]

Why does everyone think you have to use a 3F bellhousing and 85-87 crossmember to put an H55f into an 80-84 60? That’s just not true.

 

[John Staton]

wish you would of posted this a few months ago. Just did the H55 upgrade in my brown 83

 

[OGBeno]

A new H55 is $2500. FYI.

Even cheaper from some sources.

 

[3_puppies]

Why does everyone think you have to use a 3F bellhousing and 85-87 crossmember to put an H55f into an 80-84 60? That’s just not true.

Correct. I didn't say that in my post. my post was if he had a 1 piece crossmember it would need a 3F bellhousing to match, if it was the 3 piece crossmember the existing bellhousing will work with a notch ground into it for clearance.

 

[Ian Crawford]

Why does everyone think you have to use a 3F bellhousing and 85-87 crossmember to put an H55f into an 80-84 60? That’s just not true.

Can you eleaborate on that? I'm jsut weighing my options at this point.

 

[NookShneer]

If you could get all the parts to do the whole (swap) for the cost of a new trans I would think that would be a good deal (Assuming the trans is in good shape)

If you were to total the whole cost up I think you would be in the 3-4k range sourcing all new parts (where you can & used parts as needed)

 

[3_puppies]

Can you eleaborate on that? I'm jsut weighing my options at this point.

the 3F bellhousing rotates the transmision 5 degrees to the passenger side, the 1 piece crossmember is made to accommodate the rotation.
the 84 and earlier bellhousing has the trans sitting upright which the 3 piece crossmember works with.
you cannot use the early bellhousing with a 1 piece crossmember or vice versa.
they are a matched set.

rotating the transmision a few degrees to the passenger side gives a little more room and the shifter stalk is bent differently to work with the shift.
using a new stalk in an older setup is either closer to the driver or needs to be heated and bent for comfort.

 

[cruisermatt]

Yup, your bellhousing, crossmember, clutch slave and fork all have to be a matched set. The year range is 80-84 (75-80 if you include FJ40 bellhousings) and 85-87. As long as all your components match you'll be fine. I ran all 1980-84 hardware in my FJ62 for example.

 

[Ian Crawford]

Amazing what you guys know off the top of your head! Good info here!

 

[Paul DiNapoli]

I personally hate "what's this worth threads" BUT here I am writing one.

Hypothetically speaking, what would be a good deal on everything someone would need to put a H55 in a early 60-Series?

We're talking H55 w/ manual transfer case, bell housing, both drive shafts, shifters and cross member. All used but all functioning. Trans was purchased new in 2008 ish... No more than 50-60K miles.

*Not the actual unit, it's a bit more greasy.

check out my cost sheet i used to document my parts procurement process.
My H55 swap thread

 

[Ian Crawford]

check out my cost sheet i used to document my parts procurement process.
My H55 swap thread

Wow, thanks!

Great work, excellent thread and ooof! Your poor wallet! At $2500, the kit seems like a deal!

On a related/un-related note I have a friend who is swapping a new H55 into a FJ62 as we speak! I will send this along as you've shared some great solutions to some difficult challenges!

 

[John Staton]

My swap ran me about $6,500. Included a clutch kit, RMS, Oil pan gasket and some cost around the driveshafts as mine is an '83. I also did not do the work myself.

 

[hygge]

Yup, your bellhousing, crossmember, clutch slave and fork all have to be a matched set. The year range is 80-84 (75-80 if you include FJ40 bellhousings) and 85-87. As long as all your components match you'll be fine. I ran all 1980-84 hardware in my FJ62 for example.

Any chance I could check this out next week?

I’ll be in Casselberry Saturday night - Thursday for Christmas.

 

[cruisermatt]

Any chance I could check this out next week?

I’ll be in Casselberry Saturday night - Thursday for Christmas.

Sure. Although my setup is completely different now, you're welcome to come by and check it out and chat. Beer fridge is stocked.