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bigbrowndog said:Really a fair call Dave,I have been posting maps and pictures that really did belong in chat.Some may have been relevent to tech, but plenty were not.
Sorry I forgot to reply to this, Gazza. I would consider your posts of Oz vehicles etc. as tech as the astute reader can pick up the important details in the pictures without anyone having to spell it all out
I vote for bigbrowndog (and Rosco and others) to keep posting them
Dave
OK, I'm going to wade in here. I agree that the name INTERNATIONAL for this forum has always botherered me a bit. I always felt that we (usually Canadians) were separated from the rest of the LC community. HOWEVER, I really enjoy this forum as it exists now.
I have seen a few posts lately which bother me, but none of them involve the subject line of the post. I agree that the forum has been a little catty lately, and that's what bugs me most of all. This is supposed to be a forum of individuals from all walks of life which share a common interest. We are allowed to agree, disagree, and discuss. But we have to keep it civilized.
As for the subject matter, if you are going to discuss last week's episode of LOST, then it goes in CHIT CHAT. If you want to discuss ANYTHING related to the INTERNATIONAL type of LC's that we are interested in, from tech to trails to sales, bring it on (or at least post a link to the other sections).
I for one rarely read the other sections because I find that the content isn't relavent to me. While I like all LC's, a Gasser 40 series looking for a new bezel because he dented it on a trail run, which caused his headlight relay to short out (so now he really needs those COOL CRUISERS armoured 40 series fenders) and by the way his leaking soft top wrecked his stereo...doesn't interest me that much.
What interests me is;
-Wayne telling us that a "new to our community" cruiser works pretty well in the stock setup
-Brett T. selling a VERY cool drivetrain that we all might want
-The RMLCA River Shiver (which is in an International country) event last year had 19 diesels and 8 gassers, and is relavent to us
-A cool outfitting mod is an ARB locker or custom tube fenders
and so on...
Anyway, that's my two cents. Leave it as it is, but let's all get along.
Craig.
Are you recommending giving the Int'l posters their own collection of boards? or make all the current boards international? I vote the latter.
If anything i would:
add a 7x board
add a 9x board
Engine Swap Board
Keep it series-based just like the manufacturer. Let each Series-based board include both diesel and gas variants (is make it 60/61/62 series and 80/81 series etc.), and keep the engine swap board open to ALL (gasser and diesel) engine swap tech. NO additional Chats, one is enough.
I just think once you start breaking it down by engine types, you get into a ridiculous russian doll situation.
If anything i would:
add a 7x board
add a 9x board
Engine Swap Board
Keep it series-based just like the manufacturer. Let each Series-based board include both diesel and gas variants (is make it 60/61/62 series and 80/81 series etc.), and keep the engine swap board open to ALL (gasser and diesel) engine swap tech. NO additional Chats, one is enough.
I just think once you start breaking it down by engine types, you get into a ridiculous russian doll situation.
lowenbrau
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VTCruiser said:
I mostly agree though I know of no 9x owners here. I think Bruce Miller has one and Todd Kaderabek is involved with one in Haiti IIRC.
Anyway, I'd just have a 7x, forum, a 9x/120x forum if required, and a diesel forum. There is enough interest and skillset amoung this group to cover the whole group of Toyota diesels as well as any of the conversion diesels.
And FWIW I can handle a little chat in a tech forum as long as every tech post doesn't degrade to that.
lowenbrau said:
I guess you are suggesting the "diesel" heading would simply be the old "international" section and anything diesel engine related in the 40/60/70/80/90-100 sections would get moved to the "diesel" section by moderators?
MAJOR EDIT...
In that vein, and following that logic...then there really could be a "Gasser" section, and any tech question related to gasoline engines could be meved their by the respective forum moderators...
Dat's a big change though...and seeing as this is woody's forum...
More information would assist my choice, so in that light...fire away.
gb
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thanks for the input and comments gang....
The Intl corner was added around February 2004...at that time, there was combined Cruiser Tech for the 40-55-60-62, a 80-100 combined section, the Intl corner, Truck/mini tech, and the Hardcore corner....that's it (outside sale and club stuff). At that time, Intl had 37 threads and 436 posts. Obviously, things have grown....
If any changes occur, the key is to ensure the traffic remains. Adding a specialty forum for a topic that generates 5 posts a week isn't worth it....realistically, a forum section should have a minimum of 5 threads updated each day. A forum that doesn't get daily postings will "scare" people from posting there at all, thinking there isn't enuf activity to even get a response. One that is too busy will push all the threads to page 2 before anyone see's them...finding the balance is critical.
IMO, people identify their rig and their questions based on model number...particularly if they are NEW to their Cruiser. Those of us who have been around are more likely to identify with a drivetrain/axle/motor question than with a "my FJ40 makes odd noises" question. In that line of thinking, the tech forums will remain series-related. (good thot tho Denis )
Additionally, there won't be a new Intl Chat either...IMO, there isn't a reason to section off that stuff.....
I've attached a screen shot from my testing spot Comments/thoughts?
The Intl corner was added around February 2004...at that time, there was combined Cruiser Tech for the 40-55-60-62, a 80-100 combined section, the Intl corner, Truck/mini tech, and the Hardcore corner....that's it (outside sale and club stuff). At that time, Intl had 37 threads and 436 posts. Obviously, things have grown....
If any changes occur, the key is to ensure the traffic remains. Adding a specialty forum for a topic that generates 5 posts a week isn't worth it....realistically, a forum section should have a minimum of 5 threads updated each day. A forum that doesn't get daily postings will "scare" people from posting there at all, thinking there isn't enuf activity to even get a response. One that is too busy will push all the threads to page 2 before anyone see's them...finding the balance is critical.
IMO, people identify their rig and their questions based on model number...particularly if they are NEW to their Cruiser. Those of us who have been around are more likely to identify with a drivetrain/axle/motor question than with a "my FJ40 makes odd noises" question. In that line of thinking, the tech forums will remain series-related. (good thot tho Denis
)Additionally, there won't be a new Intl Chat either...IMO, there isn't a reason to section off that stuff.....
I've attached a screen shot from my testing spot
Comments/thoughts?
70/75 before 80
What will all the old intl content be in? diesel or 7x?
Might want to include that in the heading too if you decide to go this route...
What will all the old intl content be in? diesel or 7x?
Might want to include that in the heading too if you decide to go this route...
crushers
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looks good to me Woody...
cheers and peace
cheers and peace
wesintl said:70/75 before 80
What will all the old intl content be in? diesel or 7x?
Might want to include that in the heading too if you decide to go this route...
There is a ton of 24V information in this area, and seeing as anything 24V in a LC is diesel, perhaps a tag in the heading that 24V questions/info is in the diesel section may assist.
gb
crushers
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yah, i reread my post and got rid of it...
cheers
cheers
screenshot #2
I was going to reply to Greg_B's post before it got edited but there is some sense to splitting up the forums along the factorymanual lines. The 55 was close enough to the 40/43/45 mechanically that it did not need its own manual. But Toyota knows there is enough difference between the 40 and the 60 that when the 60 series came out, it's own FSM was published. Same thing for the Light Duty and Heavy Duty 70 series lines, there are different manuals for the two lines. Sure enough, eventually the Light Duty line was rechristened as the Prado.
However, splitting up the Light Duty to a new Prado/Bundera/LC II/Colorado forum now would not result in much traffic going there, unless it gets combined with the progenitors, the 90 series and the 120 series. Who knows as the GX470 comes down in price it may create enough traffic.
I'm never a fan of splitting things up too much though. When the 60/62 forum was split from the General Tech, I was devastated. But it turned out to be the right move.
Dave
However, splitting up the Light Duty to a new Prado/Bundera/LC II/Colorado forum now would not result in much traffic going there, unless it gets combined with the progenitors, the 90 series and the 120 series. Who knows as the GX470 comes down in price it may create enough traffic.
I'm never a fan of splitting things up too much though. When the 60/62 forum was split from the General Tech, I was devastated. But it turned out to be the right move.
Dave
ok, put 70/75 above 80 series.
diesel list include something about 24v Q&A.
just the chatty things need more moderation (import, so, vehicle lock, winch roller, etc)
I still wish there were someway for questions on related subjects be crossposted between forums (like vehicle lock, winch roller). I don't often go to 40-60 forums and 80-100 only if the most current post shows something I might add to. FJ I don't visit in any case (for a vechicle you cannot buy yet!).
diesel list include something about 24v Q&A.
just the chatty things need more moderation (import, so, vehicle lock, winch roller, etc)
I still wish there were someway for questions on related subjects be crossposted between forums (like vehicle lock, winch roller). I don't often go to 40-60 forums and 80-100 only if the most current post shows something I might add to. FJ I don't visit in any case (for a vechicle you cannot buy yet!).
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Hi all,
I haven't contributed enough to this forum to deserve much of a vote, but I keep coming back 'cause over-all I like what I see now. From a social perspective, the International "group" is small enough and warm enough that I feel there'll be room for me too.
I like most of the posts in the current International forum, and can keep up with the volume of new threads and easily skip over the topics that don't interest me. I can't say the same about the current 80 forum. Even though I have an 80 series, the daily "noise" over there makes wading through it feel like a chore. I expect that HDJ80/HDJ81 specific posts in the proposed new 80/81 series will be "noise" to the majority of FJ80 people that are already there.
The part I fear the most, is that the people that would have seen my non diesel, JDM specific posts in International won't have time to notice them in a bigger 80/81 forum.
The 7x's might enjoy their own forum; and even though there are rarely (ever?) 5 new threads a day related to 7x's, providing them with a forum might increase the number of 7x related posts.
If I had a vote, I would vote to leave International (rename it if you like) as it is.
-Steve
I haven't contributed enough to this forum to deserve much of a vote, but I keep coming back 'cause over-all I like what I see now. From a social perspective, the International "group" is small enough and warm enough that I feel there'll be room for me too.
I like most of the posts in the current International forum, and can keep up with the volume of new threads and easily skip over the topics that don't interest me. I can't say the same about the current 80 forum. Even though I have an 80 series, the daily "noise" over there makes wading through it feel like a chore. I expect that HDJ80/HDJ81 specific posts in the proposed new 80/81 series will be "noise" to the majority of FJ80 people that are already there.
The part I fear the most, is that the people that would have seen my non diesel, JDM specific posts in International won't have time to notice them in a bigger 80/81 forum.
The 7x's might enjoy their own forum; and even though there are rarely (ever?) 5 new threads a day related to 7x's, providing them with a forum might increase the number of 7x related posts.
If I had a vote, I would vote to leave International (rename it if you like) as it is.
-Steve
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Woody,
FWIW the 74 and 79 are missing from your description. The BJ74 is a very common JDM import these days and the HZJ79 is the current mine truck. You'd better add them to the description. Seems to me that 72 and 76 are the only numbers in the series that Toyota didn't use.
I think the new breakdown will work nicely.
FWIW the 74 and 79 are missing from your description. The BJ74 is a very common JDM import these days and the HZJ79 is the current mine truck. You'd better add them to the description. Seems to me that 72 and 76 are the only numbers in the series that Toyota didn't use.
I think the new breakdown will work nicely.
version 3....I'm gonna let discussion run for a bit, wanna be sure all interested folks get their say....
and, probably, not make any adjustments until after Dec 25....
awesome discussion tho, appreciate all the input!! (as noted, the success of the site is based on the users...making everyone happy is impossible [and I ain't gonna try], but hopefully all sides come out and a understood solution is reached)
and, probably, not make any adjustments until after Dec 25....
awesome discussion tho, appreciate all the input!! (as noted, the success of the site is based on the users...making everyone happy is impossible [and I ain't gonna try], but hopefully all sides come out and a understood solution is reached)