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Greg B said:
Greg -
Just a friendly FYI, Darren's been around a long time as "theshedguy" on this forum, and also was one of the founding members, going back a long time, of the 80sCool email list, which is the largest 80 Series email list in existence. Check it out here:
http://www.lcool.org
You'll find him referenced, if I remember correctly, as "Dazz" or "Dazza" on that site. Bottom line, he is one of the original innovators...
dclee said:Greg -
Just a friendly FYI, Darren's been around a long time as "theshedguy" on this forum, and also was one of the founding members, going back a long time, of the 80sCool email list, which is the largest 80 Series email list in existence. Check it out here:
http://www.lcool.org
You'll find him referenced, if I remember correctly, as "Dazz" or "Dazza" on that site. Bottom line, he is one of the original innovators...
Thanks Mr Lee,
if gregb was interested in doing some home work, instead of waiting for the answer to land in his lap [or computer] Im sure he would of done some research along the way, rather than try and disprove what he was being told, while he thought the initial mod was "it" for him. The fact he has researched nothing, and continues to ask questions online, and out of context is proof enough of his intent.
Greg B said:
If you dont know, because you arent an expert, how do you know the methods are legitimate?:whoops:
If you did know, then you should be able to figure out the mods yourself, or hook yourself up with a fabricator, or shop who can do the mods for you, the way you want them done.
ats4x4dotcom said:If you dont know, because you arent an expert, how do you know the methods are legitimate?:whoops:
By trying out ones ideas in real life experiences. If they work as desired the idea was a success (whether the one coming up with the idea is an "expert" or not).
I'm excited! This is probably my BEST thread ever. I'm just some dumb-ass 4-wheeler that came up with an idea using existing parts that took my 100 to another level on the trail and without any on-road sacrifice. The kicker? I have some xxxx-xxx hot-shot telling everyone my idea and lack of knowledge accomplshes pretty-much nothing...though a simple few pictures shows who is credible. To me....THAT defines "legitimate".
LUV IT!
HEY SHED GUY: WHERE'S YOUR UZJ100 PICTURES? And don't just repost mine with a different plate or color change.
ats4x4dotcom said:If you dont know, because you arent an expert, how do you know the methods are legitimate?:whoops:
If you did know, then you should be able to figure out the mods yourself, or hook yourself up with a fabricator, or shop who can do the mods for you, the way you want them done.
Well, that's pretty easy actually. I look at what people propose and decide for myself if it is legitimate. I don't want a fabricator. This is a hobby for me and I enjoy doing my own mods.
ats4x4dotcom said:
I see what this is about. I've questioned you and that hurt your ego. Look, you can attack me all you want, but that's not going to stop me from questioning you or anyone else on the way they do things.
What I'm interested in is my 100 and how I can build it for better off-roading purposes. Asking questions on-line is a form of research. If your ego can't handle being second guessed, maybe you shouldn't attack others so much.
For FirstToy: I don't see your post though I don't see a deletion either. 
Here's my answer:
I don't NEED to care what Shed Guy, Slee, or anybody says NOW about my N74L mod. It's done, it works, and extremely well, and is a HUGE success. Do you not get it? IT'S COMPLETE. I don't care if I have less travel, more or something else or even if the the shock came from a Jeep.
It works, the mod's done, and for people to discredit the success when they haven't done it themselves....shows......? GregB doesn't need to "question" me. He's already collected data about my mod and is considering it. What he's quesitoning (I'm guessing) are all the negative comments about my success AND evaluating other ideas others bring to the table so hee can decide what to do.
We're still waiting for other UZJ100 pictures. No PhotoShop enhanced Shed Guy.
Here's my answer:I don't NEED to care what Shed Guy, Slee, or anybody says NOW about my N74L mod. It's done, it works, and extremely well, and is a HUGE success. Do you not get it? IT'S COMPLETE. I don't care if I have less travel, more or something else or even if the the shock came from a Jeep.
It works, the mod's done, and for people to discredit the success when they haven't done it themselves....shows......? GregB doesn't need to "question" me. He's already collected data about my mod and is considering it. What he's quesitoning (I'm guessing) are all the negative comments about my success AND evaluating other ideas others bring to the table so hee can decide what to do.
We're still waiting for other UZJ100 pictures.
No PhotoShop enhanced Shed Guy. 
Shotts, its a TECH forum 
WTF is your pic "supposed" to show? You can do all the web math you want to show "travel" but if anyone has the patience to read through this hubris there's no way to tell you've done anything other than fit a N74-L shock on the rear of a 100. It also seems like you really don't understand the limiting purpose of lowering your bumpstops and that removing them or shortening them isn't necessarily a good thing or that it automatically gives you more "travel". Don't be so offended by Darren's points because at least they make logical sense. Your rants of "who cares" don't do anything to help a tech forum.
Why don't you measure the travel? I can already get the compressed and extended numbers of the shock. Are you fully compressing it AND fully extending it? How about posting one of those pics with a tape measure? How hard can this be?
Jeezus, now I gotta go to the 80's "tech" and post why you can't pull a rear driveshaft or measure pinion angles
WTF is your pic "supposed" to show? You can do all the web math you want to show "travel" but if anyone has the patience to read through this hubris there's no way to tell you've done anything other than fit a N74-L shock on the rear of a 100. It also seems like you really don't understand the limiting purpose of lowering your bumpstops and that removing them or shortening them isn't necessarily a good thing or that it automatically gives you more "travel". Don't be so offended by Darren's points because at least they make logical sense. Your rants of "who cares" don't do anything to help a tech forum.
Why don't you measure the travel? I can already get the compressed and extended numbers of the shock. Are you fully compressing it AND fully extending it? How about posting one of those pics with a tape measure? How hard can this be?
Jeezus, now I gotta go to the 80's "tech" and post why you can't pull a rear driveshaft or measure pinion angles
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John, I was never negative about it. Just explained it for what it is do that people understand what they gain and what they loose. For you, the extra droop is what you wanted, however by not explaining the full extend of the mod, one would be remis in informing people of exactly what happend with the mod. I think deep down that is what both Darren and me was trying to do. Hell, I started this thread to give you the info on the fitment and the measurements.
What you did is not magic. More droop is more droop. Longer shock does that. What Darren is saying more droop is nice, but so much nicer if you get full travel as well. If one takes on the roll of originator and cheering squad for a certain mod, I feel that one must understand it and explain the pro's and the cons. You can not conveniently disregard the cons just because the pros are what you wanted.
Darren works for a shop in Australia and the dynamics of how they use their vehicles is way different from us. We can be happy that they share how they do things. Although Greg thought it took to many posts for him to explain awhat they do.
As for pictures, yes, you do have a lot of pictures of the truck with the rear flexed out. That is all good. I also do believe that the truck feels more stable etc etc. But, just because someone does not have the pictures does not mean that he does not know what he is talking about either.
What you did is not magic. More droop is more droop. Longer shock does that. What Darren is saying more droop is nice, but so much nicer if you get full travel as well. If one takes on the roll of originator and cheering squad for a certain mod, I feel that one must understand it and explain the pro's and the cons. You can not conveniently disregard the cons just because the pros are what you wanted.
Darren works for a shop in Australia and the dynamics of how they use their vehicles is way different from us. We can be happy that they share how they do things. Although Greg thought it took to many posts for him to explain awhat they do.
As for pictures, yes, you do have a lot of pictures of the truck with the rear flexed out. That is all good. I also do believe that the truck feels more stable etc etc. But, just because someone does not have the pictures does not mean that he does not know what he is talking about either.
This message has been deleted by FirstToy. Reason: Don't want to get more involved or have this continue
I see it right under my deleted post. I didn't save what I wrote, but I stand by it.
Basically what I wrote is: Why attack Darren and Christo's posts when all they are advocating is looking at the whole system and not just bolting on shocks.
Shotts goes from "haha, it's been measured" to "dont care about measuring. dont care about travel" and you dont question the legitimacy of what he says?
Why bust balls when all they are saying is look at the full picture.
Obviously you have my full post Shotts, so post it up if you like since you have to drag this out...
I see it right under my deleted post. I didn't save what I wrote, but I stand by it.
Basically what I wrote is: Why attack Darren and Christo's posts when all they are advocating is looking at the whole system and not just bolting on shocks.
Shotts goes from "haha, it's been measured" to "dont care about measuring. dont care about travel" and you dont question the legitimacy of what he says?
Why bust balls when all they are saying is look at the full picture.
Obviously you have my full post Shotts, so post it up if you like since you have to drag this out...
FirstToy said:
He does seem rather excited for a guy who said he doesnt care all of a sudden, ol mr "chubby checker" shotts......
Guys like him and
greg b need to "read" more tech, and post less in it
ats4x4dotcom said:Guys like him and
ego, ego, ego
sleeoffroad said:John, I was never negative about it. Just explained it for what it is do that people understand what they gain and what they loose. For you, the extra droop is what you wanted, however by not explaining the full extend of the mod, one would be remis in informing people of exactly what happend with the mod. I think deep down that is what both Darren and me was trying to do. Hell, I started this thread to give you the info on the fitment and the measurements.
What you did is not magic. More droop is more droop. Longer shock does that. What Darren is saying more droop is nice, but so much nicer if you get full travel as well. If one takes on the roll of originator and cheering squad for a certain mod, I feel that one must understand it and explain the pro's and the cons. You can not conveniently disregard the cons just because the pros are what you wanted.
Darren works for a shop in Australia and the dynamics of how they use their vehicles is way different from us. We can be happy that they share how they do things. Although Greg thought it took to many posts for him to explain awhat they do.
As for pictures, yes, you do have a lot of pictures of the truck with the rear flexed out. That is all good. I also do believe that the truck feels more stable etc etc. But, just because someone does not have the pictures does not mean that he does not know what he is talking about either.
You'll be happy....this is my last post on this thread. Here's a couple of keen points front some posts on this thread:
1. Droop, yes the extention has helped to keep all the tires down on the ground. It's increased RTI.
2. Bumpstop lowered, yes we kept them on and per your suggestion we carefully checked for travel stoppage so the shock doesn't get wrecked. The bumpstops when mushed-in a tad stop the travel RIGHT before the shock does. It's really close so we are getting full shock travel improvements.
3. Travel...there's one "secret" reason I keep asking for pics from the Aussies, and I 've touched on it already. They say that "their" way offers an improvement in travel over the N74L/Bumpstop method? I'd luv to see this. Why? Because even with your smaller rear bumper let alone a stock one or the like...there is no more travel available over what I have in the 100 now unless you do some other major things (like cutting, or refitting).
On compression the stuffed wheel rubs even your bumper! If there was another .25" compression to be gained the bumper would stop the wheel due to severe rubbing. So then...if you get more travel than my setup, what do you do? Cut your bumper?
Maybe the bumpers they fit out there will not rub, though I'd luv to see pictures of it. Your bumper is the most aggressive and I can tell you that there's no more room for added travel unless you re-work something else. The wheel stuffs up and rearward all the way to the bumper.
ShottsUZJ100 said:
All of which were explained in this thread.....
You along with gregb need to read more, and post less maybe, given this is a "tech" section.......
ats4x4dotcom said:
Yer hilarious! The Slee aftermarket bumper doesn't change position if you do that rear body lift. There's no room for more compression.
SOMEBODY in Australia MUST have pics showing superior articulation? Haven't seen any yet. Reminds me of the left-wingers that attack then run without backing up their words.
Are you related to Teddy? Kidding!
John, we dont use the Slee bumper here, and it isnt a toyota part, so we havent struck the tyre rubbing issue you may be alluding to, with what you mentioned.
not a cruiser I know, but the same shocks fit in front of the diff, with the same distance, same basic suspension set up, similar rear springs, panhard rods close to same length, and same shocks on mine are the longer versions we mentioned earlier in this thread, so RTI would be the same for the rear, on an Intended For Shopping front end, but an 80 with these shocks, 4 bump stop spacers, adj panhard rods would have the same travel as this pic, all pretty straight forward really.
not a cruiser I know, but the same shocks fit in front of the diff, with the same distance, same basic suspension set up, similar rear springs, panhard rods close to same length, and same shocks on mine are the longer versions we mentioned earlier in this thread, so RTI would be the same for the rear, on an Intended For Shopping front end, but an 80 with these shocks, 4 bump stop spacers, adj panhard rods would have the same travel as this pic, all pretty straight forward really.
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If it makes any difference I went wheeling in my 100 series 3 times over 2 weeks with the N74Ls with only the spring retainer and no bumpstop installed and it worked fine..
Do you have any photos of a 100 series? Mail them to me and I can load them up on my server.
MAD FLEX
Do you have any photos of a 100 series? Mail them to me and I can load them up on my server.
MAD FLEX
The 100 rear travels the same as the patrol really, with those shocks fitted, and some bump stop spacers, and a pin to eye convertor at the top of the rear is what is needed to fit them.
Our standard Bilstein premium shock is slightly longer than the OME shock John has used in the rear of his, and the Comp shock ftted to my patrol, is the same "extra travel" option shock we use in the 100.
Dont have a pic of a 100 fitted with them, may have a pic of an 80 around somewhere though [similar rear suspension also]
Our standard Bilstein premium shock is slightly longer than the OME shock John has used in the rear of his, and the Comp shock ftted to my patrol, is the same "extra travel" option shock we use in the 100.
Dont have a pic of a 100 fitted with them, may have a pic of an 80 around somewhere though [similar rear suspension also]
Here is my point...a picture is worth a thousand words...
