FJ45 imported from costa rica no papers...

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Hi Guys,

Recently found an FJ45 that was originally imported from Costa Rica to Texas. However this vehicle has no import papers or any papers for that matter...have interest in brining her home but don't want to bite off more than i can or want to chew ha. Any tips or similar experiences would be awesome. (working on posting images)

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Go to your local DMV with the VIN and asked them what you need to get a title. If it was legally imported, and especially if it was legally imported into Texas, the local DMV should have some kind of records. Did the current owner indicate that he ever had a title? If so, can you get him to sign an Affidavit of Lost Title (or similar document)?
 
Go to your local DMV with the VIN and asked them what you need to get a title. If it was legally imported, and especially if it was legally imported into Texas, the local DMV should have some kind of records. Did the current owner indicate that he ever had a title? If so, can you get him to sign an Affidavit of Lost Title (or similar document)?
Oh my, I'd go to the DMV also. If there's no record, you could always go the lost title route.
 
Oh my, I'd go to the DMV also. If there's no record, you could always go the lost title route.

I've gone the bonded title route before but it wasn't on an imported vehicle...I didn't know if it being imported if something with the VIN # would flag or have issues at DMV maybe emissions. Or is this a now that its here in the US its safe (if thats a thing haha)
 
There is also the buy a titled frame route where you weld in the frame horn with the VIN number.
 
Took me a year to get my NZ 45 titled in OR and I literally had every piece of import paper needed.

The hold up was that there are no titles/or registrations (as far as I can tell) in NZ and therefore no transfer of ownership from the gentleman I bought it from and who imported it and the original owners that purchased it new in NZ.

Long story short if you want it bad enough you can get it titled. But it may be a major pain in the rear.
 
i know i am in the minority here, but just find s*** fj for a title and swap it all over to the titled truck. yes, not legal, but if you want it and dont plan on selling it, i dont see the harm.
 
Swapping the frame part with the VIN and title used to be legal in California. I know people that did this to make their 40 smog exempt and it was OK with the DMV.
 
In Texas, they throw people in jail for that .... do a google search on Classic Restorations.

I am an attorney who does importing and exporting of vehicles. This is not a treatise on how to get a car into the US - merely a few of the high points/low points.

That Texas sticker is likely just something that Border patrol likely forced the driver to get to drive it in Texas. Basically it's a "you won't kill us with an unsafe vehicle" sticker. We get these all the time in the north - person thinks "oh, if I get it across the border, it'll be fine." No.... simply no.

Your first step should be Texas licensing, followed by a quick trip to the Rangers. If there isn't a theft record, find out what country it came from and see if its reported stolen there. IF that checks out, you can buy the vehicle and not be in possession of stolen property.

Put the vehicle on your trailer and haul it home. Then take it all apart. Check the vin number matches the frame, cab, and motor. If it doesn't. Seriously, scrap it - by the time you pay me 10k to get the car legally in the US, you'll say "I could buy a licensed one for half..." well, duh. But let's say you won the lottery and wonder how to make it a US vehicle.

Fortunately, it's likely that some or all of it is more then 25 years old. My first step would be to bond the vehicle against any claims against the vehicle. I'd then contact customs to legally import the vehicle while it's in place at your house. They may demand it be put in a bonded warehouse for the pendency of the application. That costs about $10/day and the process takes a minimum of 90 days and can take years (I know of one car that's been in bonding for 15 years and will likely never leave except as scrap.

Once Customs has us all protected (sarcasm intended) from that terrible FJ45, they send a request to whatever 3rd world country the vehicle came from (yeah, again) and asks if it's stolen. Depending on the lateness of the day and the sobriety of the customs official in the foreign country that may turn out okay (remember 15 years?). But let's say he's feeling gracious (FCO) and he says "it's all bueno"... excellent, now you need an export certificate from that country to ours. Another round of letters are sent to the official in charge of export certificates, bribes paid (errr, taxes), and you're good to go. At this point the bleeding is about 5k to 10k. Then you get another inspection here. Oh wait, a number isn't reading right on motor or it "looks" tampered with. So we go to exceptions. Remember, it's costing you 10/day until you give up.
But let's say all is fine and finally you get US customs clearing (and I've jumped a few steps) - and you now have it home, hopefully with all the parts still attached. Now you get to fight with Texas and their rules.

Seriously, part it out and whatever you do, unless you have a damn good criminal attorney - don't vin swap. Our border patrol is pretty poor at one part of their job, but oh my goodness are they thorough on keeping those terrible imports out of our country... they will x-ray your frame if they even have a hint that it's swapped - not only that but they go online and see if they can catch those smart people who think they can outsmart the cops....
 
That's a hj45 h motor
 
G wagon, Sidkick, firebird....and something with a cage

1st check to see if there are any vin #, I bet the frame is the only a place left.....
 
In many cases, it's far worse if its missing. That said, door tags can be reproduced and its legal to do so in a restoration (usually)* - it's the stamped numbers that you should never screw with.
*I could regale you with horror stories of how this isn't always true. Point behind 99% of them is never drive a re-vin'd car out of country. Read the story of Bigfoot 9
 
In Texas, they throw people in jail for that .... do a google search on Classic Restorations.

I am an attorney who does importing and exporting of vehicles. This is not a treatise on how to get a car into the US - merely a few of the high points/low points.

That Texas sticker is likely just something that Border patrol likely forced the driver to get to drive it in Texas. Basically it's a "you won't kill us with an unsafe vehicle" sticker. We get these all the time in the north - person thinks "oh, if I get it across the border, it'll be fine." No.... simply no.

Your first step should be Texas licensing, followed by a quick trip to the Rangers. If there isn't a theft record, find out what country it came from and see if its reported stolen there. IF that checks out, you can buy the vehicle and not be in possession of stolen property.

Put the vehicle on your trailer and haul it home. Then take it all apart. Check the vin number matches the frame, cab, and motor. If it doesn't. Seriously, scrap it - by the time you pay me 10k to get the car legally in the US, you'll say "I could buy a licensed one for half..." well, duh. But let's say you won the lottery and wonder how to make it a US vehicle.

Fortunately, it's likely that some or all of it is more then 25 years old. My first step would be to bond the vehicle against any claims against the vehicle. I'd then contact customs to legally import the vehicle while it's in place at your house. They may demand it be put in a bonded warehouse for the pendency of the application. That costs about $10/day and the process takes a minimum of 90 days and can take years (I know of one car that's been in bonding for 15 years and will likely never leave except as scrap.

Once Customs has us all protected (sarcasm intended) from that terrible FJ45, they send a request to whatever 3rd world country the vehicle came from (yeah, again) and asks if it's stolen. Depending on the lateness of the day and the sobriety of the customs official in the foreign country that may turn out okay (remember 15 years?). But let's say he's feeling gracious (FCO) and he says "it's all bueno"... excellent, now you need an export certificate from that country to ours. Another round of letters are sent to the official in charge of export certificates, bribes paid (errr, taxes), and you're good to go. At this point the bleeding is about 5k to 10k. Then you get another inspection here. Oh wait, a number isn't reading right on motor or it "looks" tampered with. So we go to exceptions. Remember, it's costing you 10/day until you give up.
But let's say all is fine and finally you get US customs clearing (and I've jumped a few steps) - and you now have it home, hopefully with all the parts still attached. Now you get to fight with Texas and their rules.

Seriously, part it out and whatever you do, unless you have a damn good criminal attorney - don't vin swap. Our border patrol is pretty poor at one part of their job, but oh my goodness are they thorough on keeping those terrible imports out of our country... they will x-ray your frame if they even have a hint that it's swapped - not only that but they go online and see if they can catch those smart people who think they can outsmart the cops....
As an LEO, I'd take this to heart. DON'T swap the VIN and think you an get away with it in the long run.
 
You aren't swapping the VIN as long as the VIN matches the title. The frame is the only serialized part that matters of that vintage in CA. You are swapping everything else onto the titled frame. If you own everything legally, there is no crime in CA. At least that was the way it was 10 years ago which is the last time I checked in to it.
 
As an LEO, I'd take this to heart. DON'T swap end the VIN and think you an get away with it in the long run.

Yet TLC has been doing this for years with the Icons and not even bothering to weld the stamped piece off the old frame.

I've always heard paper work needed to be done at the border/port if you planned on importing not later. Legally would think it would have leave the country and have paper work of ownership at the border.
 
There is also the buy a titled frame route where you weld in the frame horn with the VIN number.

Pinhead - that is VIN swapping. Do not EVER do this. I can't stress this enough, you do not need the stress.

You brought up frame swapping, yes - there is a process called consolidation (or ownership-in-dispute in Washington) where you can make all the numbers gel on one title. To do this, you must have titles to all the cars you are consolidating. The US required VINs to be stamped on frame starting in 1948.... so unless this is a special FJ45, it has VIN on the frame, the body, and at least a partial on the motor.
 

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