First Issue....here we go! (1 Viewer)

[dtt255]

Lame!

The Landcruiser is a SUV and not a TRUCK.



The reason why the issue came back is because you had this attitude about how much you paid for the car and they responed by shutting you up and quickly greasing the problem. VERY likely a part will need to be changed or adjusted which takes time and patience. Your arrogance is why caused your Landcruiser to develop this problem once again, although even just slighly.

Show the service guy some respect and he will get your job done correctly. Otherwise, they will just grease you drivetrain again which will mask the issue which which will just bring you back.

Unfortunetly, your very likely stuck with issue for life and stuck with the quick grease and lube which the dealer will know masks the problem...and to that.....because even though you paid $70k for your Toyota which actually is not the most expensive Toyota truck in history....you got played like a fool by the service guy and to that "I smile and chuckle" because in all honestly, you are no different than a guy who drive a Tercel or Tacoma because after all you drive a Toyota...just like them. .

Wow...such nice statements on your 12th post! I appriciate your opinion, but I think you need to learn what sarcasm is. If you read my conversation again with the service person, you may see the sarcasm in my tone when speaking to him (which he laughed at also)....or maybe that is something you cannot recognize.

I am not going to debate with you if I gave any respect to the person I was talking to, because you were not there, I was. He mentioned how long things would take etc, and he never got an argument from me. I waited patiently until they called my name.

BTW to someone who had an acura before...the LC is a truck. If you don't like the way I describe my LC....well I am really upset a about that.

BTW...have a nice day!

While I don't necessarily share the animosity displayed above, I do agree that greasing just masks the problem. Especially in a full-time 4WD vehicle, there are lots of parts all moving against one another all the time (crank to transmission to t-case to two driveshafts to two diffs full of gears to four axles shafts to four hubs, etc.). They all wear eventually and a little wear gets compounded since there are so many components in the system. That said, this is just a trait of full-time systems (especially heavy-duty systems like in a Cruiser) and is more annoying than actually a mechanical problem. However, in a new $70K vehicle, it is unacceptable. If it does turn out to be the typical driveline slop, then the only way to truly eliminate it is to replace parts.

From reading the other posts in the 100 area etc. I do know that if the grease didn't fix the issue, that something would need to be replaced, looked at more, etc.

Despite what the jerky, sorry I mean user, above mentioned...there are some things I expect not to happen with my $70 TRUCK and one is not to have a clunk in the drivetrain.

It is good to know (from you and reading other posts) that it is more of a annoying issue then an actual mechanical failure issue.

 

[landtank]

every AWD land cruiser has the clunk so get used to it. Greasing is usually temporary as once it gets squished out it clunks again. I've been trying to source a DC rear shaft for the Tacoma to build a front shaft for my 80 and was surprised to find out that the shafts starting in 2000 has no zirks. If fact if you need a shaft for a Tacoma that was built prior to 2000 it gets replaced by a zirkless model.

The significants of this huge and I'd expect your truck to be also zirkless with the exception of the slip yoke.

 

[twstrchasr]

I would be a bit pissed off too if my new LC was making the so called "clunking" noise. You might want to give it some time (if it doesn't bother you too much) and see if there are any SIB's put out on the 200. Since they are so new it might take a few months for the SIB to be issued though..

I wonder if the 2008 AWD Highlander makes any clunking noises ??

 

[dclee]

I will add to my above statements that our 100 at 40K miles has no slop. Just one data point.

 

[Thermodyn]

Lame!

The Landcruiser is a SUV and not a TRUCK.



The reason why the issue came back is because you had this attitude about how much you paid for the car and they responed by shutting you up and quickly greasing the problem. VERY likely a part will need to be changed or adjusted which takes time and patience. Your arrogance is why caused your Landcruiser to develop this problem once again, although even just slighly.

Show the service guy some respect and he will get your job done correctly. Otherwise, they will just grease you drivetrain again which will mask the issue which which will just bring you back.

Unfortunetly, your very likely stuck with issue for life and stuck with the quick grease and lube which the dealer will know masks the problem...and to that.....because even though you paid $70k for your Toyota which actually is not the most expensive Toyota truck in history....you got played like a fool by the service guy and to that "I smile and chuckle" because in all honestly, you are no different than a guy who drive a Tercel or Tacoma because after all you drive a Toyota...just like them. .

Oh puhleeze!

What is lame is YOU splitting hairs on his choice of words.

FYI, there are many different kinds of trucks in this world. I learned this from my Richard Scarry picture book when I was like three years old. Let's see...there are firetrucks, dumptrucks, flatbed trucks, pick-up trucks and yes, delivery trucks or SUVs, which are also classified as a "carry-all" by my state DMV. Does it have a body on a frame...like a truck?

Dude, if he wants to call his "SUV" a truck, he can do so and you're just being petty by even bringing it up.

BTW, Land Cruiser is TWO words.

Way to go, doofus!

 

[landtank]

I will add to my above statements that our 100 at 40K miles has no slop. Just one data point.

it does, you just haven't noticed it. Everyplace in the drivetrain where two gears meet there is a backlash spec. This is basically calculated slop. And since it's AWD it all adds up.

I wouldn't be concerned one bit about it and just keep up with the normal maintenance. It's very likely that with more driving the mechanics will further break in and the noise will subside, but the slop will still be there.

 

[dclee]

it does, you just haven't noticed it. Everyplace in the drivetrain where two gears meet there is a backlash spec. This is basically calculated slop. And since it's AWD it all adds up.

I wouldn't be concerned one bit about it and just keep up with the normal maintenance. It's very likely that with more driving the mechanics will further break in and the noise will subside, but the slop will still be there.

Maybe I should have been more clear. As I mentioned above, I'm well aware of the slop inherent in full-time 4WD systems, as well as backlash when setting up gears (one reason I never did this job myself). But, to clarify, my truck has no noticeable slop after 40K miles. Certainly nothing like the 80's I have owned. For his new $70K truck to have noticeable thunking, that is unacceptable.

 

[landtank]

Maybe I should have been more clear. As I mentioned above, I'm well aware of the slop inherent in full-time 4WD systems, as well as backlash when setting up gears (one reason I never did this job myself). But, to clarify, my truck has no noticeable slop after 40K miles. Certainly nothing like the 80's I have owned. For his new $70K truck to have noticeable thunking, that is unacceptable.

Well I haven't driven this truck so I can't comment on whether or not the amount of thunk he has is unacceptable with any certainty. But I have worked through issues with members on this board and can tell you determining that over the web is near impossible with someone of limited working knowledge of the mechanics. Everyone's idea what what is acceptable is different and if this owner has typically driven cars or light duty trucks his perception on what is a problem might not be accurate to this truck.

I personally think the truck is fine and I wouldn't be ratcheting up his concern based on what he has written here.

 

[dclee]

Well I haven't driven this truck so I can't comment on whether or not the amount of thunk he has is unacceptable with any certainty. But I have worked through issues with members on this board and can tell you determining that over the web is near impossible with someone of limited working knowledge of the mechanics. Everyone's idea what what is acceptable is different and if this owner has typically driven cars or light duty trucks his perception on what is a problem might not be accurate to this truck.

I personally think the truck is fine and I wouldn't be ratcheting up his concern based on what he has written here.

That's fine. But, if someone asks for help, and people comment based on what he writes, to me there is no problem in that. That is what we're here for. As well, if someone gets on an Internet forum and doesn't understand that the information he gets may be worth what he pays (i.e. nothing) than that is his fault. I don't think most people on here are that dumb, but I could be wrong.

If I ask a question, I appreciate people giving me an honest answer based on the information I present. Otherwise, why would I ask? It's a point of information, no more no less. I am not trying to "ratchet up his concern" but am presenting my opinion based on the information and symptoms he has provided. If we all sat back and said "I can't help you without seeing your truck in person" than, again, what would be the point of this forum?

 

[landtank]

As more come here for help I hope those who offer advice consider the mileage of the vehicle. In this case it's no where near broken in and IMO the advice which is appropriate for a truck with say 90k on the clock and one near nothing don't correlate.

He has a brand new truck and during the break in period as the joints, bushings and bearings all settle in he is bound to hear some noises. The best thing IMO is to just watch and listen and keep up with the maintenance. After all he has a warranty for some time so he's covered.

Anyway, I've never known an owner of a new car not to be a little hypersensitive and this would include me as well.

As you, I'm just posting my opinion and he can consider all of them when forming his own.

 

[dclee]

As more come here for help I hope those who offer advice consider the mileage of the vehicle. In this case it's no where near broken in and IMO the advice which is appropriate for a truck with say 90k on the clock and one near nothing don't correlate.

He has a brand new truck and during the break in period as the joints, bushings and bearings all settle in he is bound to hear some noises. The best thing IMO is to just watch and listen and keep up with the maintenance. After all he has a warranty for some time so he's covered.

Anyway, I've never known an owner of a new car not to be a little hypersensitive and this would include me as well.

As you, I'm just posting my opinion and he can consider all of them when forming his own.

In general I would agree with you, but this one is somewhat specific since it is manifesting as a known LC "issue". Who knows, maybe they didn't grease it to spec when it left the factory? I also agree that mileage counts, which actually exacerbates this particular issue, in my opinion. If he had been complaining about this at 90K, fine, I would have said grease it and call it a day. But since it is a new vehicle, and this is a specific problem that is "supposed" to happen later in life, I thought it sort of stuck out. However, that said, I sincerely hope that it doesn't return until the drivetrain has more wear (though it sounds like it already has).

 

[Dougal]

I've been trying to source a DC rear shaft for the Tacoma to build a front shaft for my 80 and was surprised to find out that the shafts starting in 2000 has no zirks. If fact if you need a shaft for a Tacoma that was built prior to 2000 it gets replaced by a zirkless model.

Do you mean no grease nipples on the universal joints or no grease nipples anywhere?

No grease nipples on the universals is reasonably common these days. Most of the time you can fit new joints with grease nipples at rebuild time.

 

[landtank]

Do you mean no grease nipples on the universal joints or no grease nipples anywhere?

No grease nipples on the universals is reasonably common these days. Most of the time you can fit new joints with grease nipples at rebuild time.

I haven't seen the yoke so there probably is still one on the slip yoke but maybe not. But there is no nipples on the u-joints and the centering ball of the CV joint. Toyota has made this a maintenance free, life time shaft.

Anyone who has dealt with a CV style shaft will tell you how important greasing that center section is at every oil interval to sustain the joint's life. I'm amazed that Toyota was able to engineer a joint that didn't need constant attention.

BTW, a new rear section is @950.00 and there is no servicable parts available for the unit, all or nothing.

 

[r3run33]

wow what has happend to this forum this was a great place to get info on lc/lx every body need to be nice hey isnt there a moderator here anyway??????????? dtt sorry to hear the clunk is back i stated before the lexus tech told me back when the gx had it; the drive shaft is the issue. I am really surprised that toytota did not catch this with the new 200!! Anyone else surprised at this? Now i am not a toyota tech so it may not be the drive shaft clunk but so another member of the forum to post the same problem it might be.

 

[r3run33]

sorry i forgot to put this in I had a 99 grand cher way back and it had the drive line clunk and the drive shaft was replaced. Not trying to stir things up but after the grand cher i got a 99 100 series but 80k miles on it and no clunk i now have a 06 100 series and no clunk. Maybe its not noticble??? but the clunk i had on the grnd cherk was a thump

 

[FirstToy]

I wouldn't be concerned one bit about it and just keep up with the normal maintenance. It's very likely that with more driving the mechanics will further break in and the noise will subside, but the slop will still be there.

well I have to agree here. This is well documented in the GX470 as the customer base is just not used to their luxury vehicle making any noise. In fact, I also believe it goes away after some miles under the belt.

I had this issue w/ the 4Runner (same as GX) and it went away within... 15K miles I think. Also, a Lexus tech told me as much but they still replaced the driveshafts to appease customers- basically w/ less tolerance... not as 'tight'.

On the flipside, this is a $75K vehicle and in that regard, they absolutely need to keep the customer happy. Not only for the customer but for their own reputation.

 

[Dougal]

I haven't seen the yoke so there probably is still one on the slip yoke but maybe not. But there is no nipples on the u-joints and the centering ball of the CV joint. Toyota has made this a maintenance free, life time shaft.

Anyone who has dealt with a CV style shaft will tell you how important greasing that center section is at every oil interval to sustain the joint's life. I'm amazed that Toyota was able to engineer a joint that didn't need constant attention.

BTW, a new rear section is @950.00 and there is no servicable parts available for the unit, all or nothing.

Thanks. I didn't realise it was a CV shaft.

 

[landtank]

Thanks. I didn't realise it was a CV shaft.

I didn't mean to imply that the 200 has a DC shaft in it. I only mentioned it referencing Toyota's continuing improvement in technology and that what is in the 200 might not be what one expects.

It wouldn't surprise me at all that there are only 2 grease fittings on the 200, the front and rear slip yoke.