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[jamisobe]

I don't know how much it would cost but have you thought of doing maybe injection molding with a durable rubber/plastic mix? To be honest I wouldn't even know where to start but I just have a feeling that a more pliable, rubbery flare that could be easily reattached would sell very well. If I recall you're making these out of fiberglass? I've worked with it before and it's a PITA so I don't blame you for the high price. I'm sure supplies aren't cheap and they take a lot of work to make. The do look nice though.

Yes, I checked into polypropelene plastic moulding. For mass quantities it could be the way to go. Not for 10's or even 100's. 20k at a minimum for the intial tooling and then you would have to buy mass quantities of polypro to make per unit costs low enough. You would have to expect to sell 10s of thousands at least to make it cost effective and you would have to have thirty thousand at least to invest in it up front and then they would have to be more expensive than what I am offering now. That's why Bushwhacker doesn't go after it. They know that they can't do it and have it be profitable.

We are using a very high quality fiberglass that is very durable especially when attached from the outside and I'm able to keep the cost at a level that should be reasonable. It isn't possible to make these out of any material and sell them as cheaply as Bushwhacker flares. Sorry. As I said before, I may only be able to make a few and then quit making them. I will keep the moulds in case someone that has bought them needs a flare section replaced, but I won't keep making sets if people are only willing to pay $500 or less for a set. I can't.

 

[jamisobe]

I am selling the current set starting at a very low price of $600. I am willing to sell this set cheaper since I need to to recover some of my investment asap in order to proceed with the materials needed for the 93-97 flares.

I have decided that after these next two sets of pre-made 91-92 flares are sold on ebay I will no longer make them unless someone places a direct order for them at the normal price of $900 or they are bought on ebay at a buy-it-now price of $1000.

I am planning for the 93-97 flares to be sold for $900 per set for forum members only. That first set should be ready at the end of July begining of August [depends on cash flow. If someone prepays or the remaining 2 sets of 91-92 flares sell then the 93-97 flares will be ready sooner]. I will only use Ebay for the 93-97 flares at a buy-it-now price of $1000 plus shipping.

I will use a waiting list starting with the list that already exists for the 93-97 flares. I will look at the dates for people that have expressed interest and I will check with them to see if they are still interested at the forum price. [If someone is willing to prepay for a set then they will jump to the front of the line and I will be able to expedite the first flares for them] After I get through that list I will go by the order of contacts made with me in order from this point going forward.

The packaging is large (and costs about $25) and the shipping is about $100 due to the size of the box, but local pick up in San Antonio or Austin would be free.

 

[jamisobe]

An offer was accepted from a forum member to end the current auction.

I should have another set ready to sell by next week. That will be the last set for a couple of months.

 

[thatcabledude]

I'm ready to see some pics other than that one photo first posted like a month and a half ago. Hopefully the 2 (I think) people who've bought them will post up some pictures when they get them. I am pretty interested although so expensive but, I'm going to have to see pictures before I can seriously think about such a large purchase. Especially for something strictly cosmetic.

 

[jamisobe]

Here are some teaser shots of the new 93-97 flares that should start to be made in a couple of months. Only one section of one side was done at the time of these photos. The satin black color seen here is the same color as the most recent set sold. All flares will be shipped as satin black going forward...

 

[geologic]

Ive got the LX450 80 series. I want to remove the existing body cladding and place 97 LC flares. It's a lot of work. I looked at the photo of the piece you've test molded. Doesn't seem flush on the mounting side but seems to be an exact mold of the original next to it. Was that one distorted on removal? I have new flexible trim pieces that fit the LC in hopes of finding a good set of original flares. I might be interested in yours if they mount better. Will they use the factory trim seals?

 

[jamisobe]

Ive got the LX450 80 series. I want to remove the existing body cladding and place 97 LC flares. It's a lot of work. I looked at the photo of the piece you've test molded. Doesn't seem flush on the mounting side but seems to be an exact mold of the original next to it. Was that one distorted on removal? I have new flexible trim pieces that fit the LC in hopes of finding a good set of original flares. I might be interested in yours if they mount better. Will they use the factory trim seals?

The angles must be playing tricks on your eyes.

They are exact (except for the pockets/material), fit like a glove, and they use OEM style trim seals. We are using the same process used to mould the 91-92 flares which fit the exact same curves. You can see the pictures of those flares mounted.

You should have plenty of time to mull it over and to see them mounted since they will only be available one set at a time. I will also soon be sharing the OEM style flare trim seals by themselves if you'd rather stay with the OEM flares.

 

[McGrinnan]

Mine was off topic the guy asked where to get them I told him to make the someone is a little power hungry Romer!

 

[Romer]

Mine was off topic the guy asked where to get them I told him to make the someone is a little power hungry Romer!

The thread was reported by forum mebers as out of line. I don't read every thread otherwise would not have even seen it.

I did see technical value in your post, but your language and insults to the originator were out of line. Had you just posted the technical data, I would have let it go. There was no reason to come in hear and bash someone else and thats why your post was deleted, not for the technical content. Any other issues, PM me as to not detract from this thread.

 

[McGrinnan]

Anyone wanna have a pair of these that are stronger more flexible and have the option of bolt on or stick on for under $300 pm me or wait for the diy thread soon to come!

 

[Romer]

I will be interested in seeing that thread. Some people like to buy things already made, some are more interested in making it themselves. Having both options is of value to the members.

 

[jamisobe]

It certainly costs me more than $300 in materials to have a set of these flares made and it takes a couple of months for the fiberglass guy I contracted with to make the molds. Maybe it isn't terribly complicated, but it certainly isn't something that he can do overnight or for free. My profit margin is small and I still haven't recouped my start up costs.

Maybe McGrinnan has the skills and can gather the material needed to make a set of these flares for less than $300, but I doubt that he would sell them for $300. If he were like me he would then have to pay someone (who has the time and knowledge) to do the labor and then his costs would be closer to $600.

I wish he could have been more of a gentleman and simply offered his knowledge up to those who would like to have a try at making their own. Even I would be interested seeing how he would do it (I wouldn't want to mess with it myself-too stinky and too messy). I haven't even taken the opportunity to see my own molds or watch my guy lay the fiberglass. Again, I am sorry that I am not able to offer these flares for a price similar to that of Bushwhacker (or less), but I think I have been fair on pricing and I definitely don't think I deserve to be called names.

There is still a set of 91-92 flares out on Ebay. I now have them listed at $900, but make me an offer. All offers so far have been accepted and very much appreciated.

I will have a set of flares that fit 93-97 mud flaps in 2-3 weeks and I will start them out as I did the first two sets of 91-92 flares for bid at $600. I will include a buy it now price in case someone is willing.

 

[Romer]

We all have moments of not being a gentleman. Let it go. The way I see it, he will post step by step how to do it yourself. The costs may or may not be $300, but I am sure he will post up his results as he does his thread.

Since this is tech, your posts on what you are doing technically are fine. Your selling them needs to go in classifieds. Please make sure you put any further posts you have about your ebay product there.

 

[McGrinnan]

I am sorry you don't see me as gentlemanly but I really don't care. I made many molds before and these are way to easy. I will make a diy thread because I don't believe in making a profit I everyone on here shows other people how to make stuff themselves and at no cost to others but materials and I plan to do the same.

 

[offroad]

want to buy same flares

i have the same land cruiser, where can i find the same flares to buy?

 

[jamisobe]

i have the same land cruiser, where can i find the same flares to buy?

I'll send you a message. I am now selling these for $550 plus shipping which is running around $70-80 in the US.

 

[madaussie]

I'll send you a message. I am now selling these for $550 plus shipping which is running around $70-80 in the US.

I will take a set have 1996 80 series msg me please

 

[McGrinnan]

Ahhhh ha ha ha ha I knew it ha ha ha

 

[MECA58]

Just installed mine, thanks jamisobe, great quality and fit.

 

[jamisobe]

Looks great. I love your headlamps. You should look into putting these ballasted LED switchbacks into your turn signals. They would compliment the look you have going very well