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I wonder if it would be cheaper to ship the truck out there and ship it back instead of feeding the thirsty 2F.


Sadly, it might be cheaper to fly out, BUY a Rubicon capable beater minitruck, and fly home. Sell the minitruck to whoever has the most cash within 50 feet at the end.

Well, not quite but close.


6000 miles = 600 gallons of gas = $1800. Actually, that's well worth it for an epic adventure.:hhmm:

There is that Harald guy that does the Rubicon guided drive and he charges about $1000 (edit:$1420, I just looked it up) for the use of his FJ40, supplies all the gear and puts together an awesome trip. I've met him several times out there and he's a good guy and his clients always look happy.

http://www.rubicon-trail.com/Rubicon/indexi.html




Back to the Boots4 build---I have been working on the 14 bolt rear that I picked up yesterday for $80. That is such a serious piece of GM goodness, and I know you have one from your stepvan, that I strongly recommend you get it into the back of your 60. In fact, the dually rear hubs are the ones you want, so you're good to go.

I would also be highly curious as to the WMS measurement on the 14 bolt you have, and a picture.:D There is some speculation about dually rears and if yours is the CnC version you are really set.

Anyway, with those big tires you like, your Toyota rear end is doomed. The 14 bolt is just awesome. I won't have mine in for this year's Rubithon but will within another year.
 
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When I was setting up the axles I didn't want to invest too much into the rear end in case I did go with the stepvan 14bolt. The bolt pattern thing stopped me but Freds40 made it look pretty simple to set that up, plus now that I got a drill press (early christmas) new fabbing opportunities are opening up. I'd cut the long side to give me an offset rear so I could use my tcase setup but that seems easy enough. It would definitely get a shave. It does have the dually hubs and is already 4.10 gearing, however I'm not sure on bearing condition meaning if it would need a rebuild and I don't know if it's the CNC kind. I'd grab a detroit for it to lock it.

I did think about it a lot but decided to stick with the cruiser rear. Klingon wheels his hard, has gear reduction, and is sporting big, meaty boggers. I'm only on tiny 37s right now and will need to stick with them for a little while. Running polys gives me some insurance. With my intentions to run 39s it may be a good idea to get the 14bolt ready for a swap. For now the cruiser rear end is holding up well and I don't really beat my stuff. I also have that auto to cushion the driveline, something I was concerned about with the 4bt's torque. Which btw is putting out about 370 ft.lbs. now with the plan for more when the VGT turbo makes it's way into Dora. :D

I'll have to get a pic of it for you. I pulled it from the frame and it's been in the same spot since.
 
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6000 miles = 600 gallons of gas = $1800. Actually, that's well worth it for an epic adventure.:hhmm:

There is that Harald guy that does the Rubicon guided drive and he charges about $1000 (edit:$1420, I just looked it up) for the use of his FJ40, supplies all the gear and puts together an awesome trip. I've met him several times out there and he's a good guy and his clients always look happy.

Rubicon Trail is the world's most famous of all tough off-road trails


Back to the Boots4 build---I have been working on the 14 bolt rear that I picked up yesterday for $80. That is such a serious piece of GM goodness, and I know you have one from your stepvan, that I strongly recommend you get it into the back of your 60. In fact, the dually rear hubs are the ones you want, so you're good to go.

I would also be highly curious as to the WMS measurement on the 14 bolt you have, and a picture.:D There is some speculation about dually rears and if yours is the CnC version you are really set.

Anyway, with those big tires you like, your Toyota rear end is doomed. The 14 bolt is just awesome. I won't have mine in for this year's Rubithon but will within another year.

It's only about 5k miles round trip out there from my place. Not bad! That's definitely do-able. If I make a trip out west, it will be in my truck or else I won't be going.



The 14bolt is a FF, so I can imagine how the SF 60 rear is significantly weaker. How does the FF 'cruiser axle compare to the 14 bolt? PP inners and upgraded studs should make for a pretty solid rear axle.

Either way, can't really beat the $80 price:lol:
 
The 14bolt is a FF, so I can imagine how the SF 60 rear is significantly weaker. How does the FF 'cruiser axle compare to the 14 bolt? PP inners and upgraded studs should make for a pretty solid rear axle.

Either way, can't really beat the $80 price:lol:


It's not just full float. It's a full on 1 ton heavy duty axle, much, much stronger than a Cruiser axle, as in no comparison. It's 30 spline, but those 30 splines are 1.7 inches in diameter. The axle tube is 1/2 inch thick, really crazy stuff for something they made millions of. It uses 8 1/2 inch hardened bolts to attach the axle shaft to the hub, not 6 8mm studs.

Just to give you an idea if mass is any indicatior of strength. A Cruiser FF weighs maybe 250 pounds. This weighs 550 pounds. I can shave close to 100 off that with a disc brake conversion.

Mike-sorry for the hijack. I've just been having a ton of fun messing with this beast and I'm sold.

Anyway, I'd love to see some measurements on your dually axle. You're in luck if it's 63 inches.
 
It's not just full float. It's a full on 1 ton heavy duty axle, much, much stronger than a Cruiser axle, as in no comparison. It's 30 spline, but those 30 splines are 1.7 inches in diameter. The axle tube is 1/2 inch thick, really crazy stuff for something they made millions of. It uses 8 1/2 inch hardened bolts to attach the axle shaft to the hub, not 6 8mm studs.

Just to give you an idea if mass is any indicatior of strength. A Cruiser FF weighs maybe 250 pounds. This weighs 550 pounds. I can shave close to 100 off that with a disc brake conversion.

Mike-sorry for the hijack. I've just been having a ton of fun messing with this beast and I'm sold.

Anyway, I'd love to see some measurements on your dually axle. You're in luck if it's 63 inches.

:eek:Holy hell, talk about beefy! I've never seen one out from under a truck up close so I guess I never had a good idea for how HD they are. Sweet!
 
Boots!
Youre a MAD MAN tearing into this stuff man!
Ive caught bits and pieces of the build thread (its really f*kcing long), but everytime I tune in there is some CRAZY stuff happening!
Diggin the triple stick set up!
I might be PMing you when I get to that point!

Great job!
 
update

Thanks Chicago. You've got quite the body work project.


I finished putting the tranny together and staged it out near the rig for install. I was trying to be careful but ended up ripping the gasket between the tranny and the doubler so I needed to go pick up a new one, it was only $1.60. I also needed to pick up some 6AN fittings to put into the tranny cooler ports to hook up to my lines. So I made trip and grabbed them both.

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I moved on to finishing my crossmember; I needed to finish off the ends. I shot it with some primer since I'm out of RustBullet for now. I also extended the 1/4 plate where the tranny mounts and added another on top to raise the drivetrain a hair more.

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The next day I was ready to install the tranny. I ended up taking a well needed nap so I didn't get as much time as I had planned but that nap sure felt good!

I filled the t.converter with 2 quarts before I put it on the tranny. With cold fluid that took a little bit of time. I then used my straps and jack to raise it up. I'd raise it, take up the slack on the straps and continued that until I had it up ready to bolt to the engine. I made sure the t.converter was seated all the way, aligned the pins on the tranny bellhousing and bolted it up. That's as far as I got.

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Before I put the tranny back in I cleaned up the crossmember frame side mounts and put a quick shot of black on them to keep them from rusting too much. You can see them in the above pic and here's just a closer pic.

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I did find what I thought was the perfect temperature controller that would allow me to use the temp sensor inside the tranny, adjust for a 110F turn off for a signal to the force motor. The only problem is that it's not available in the US. It comes from germany and will take too long and shipping will cost too much to get it here. So back to the idea phase. I think I might simplify even more and use a simple normally closed temp switch set to open at the desired degrees and have that turn on and off my force motor. I'm most concerned about running my force motor (to reduce line pressure) when the tranny is cold so the idea is to have it running any time the tranny is below a certain temperature.
 
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Mike did you use the gasket between the doubler plate and the 203 or just RTV? I can't seem to find just THAT gasket anywhere. Most of the auto parts store around here will only sell the whole kit for $71 bucks!

Yet another weekend of random small projects all contributing to the bigger picture.

I got two packages last week.

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This is the insulation stuff I am going to try that I got from Sound Deadening Materials for Noise Reduction from Second Skin. The top bottle is the called spectrum firewall (heat insulation) and the tub is spectrum spray which is the sound insulation. I also grabbed a spray gun to put it on. The initial plan is to coat the firewall and underside of the tranny tunnel with the firewall product and coat the inside of the cruiser with the spray product. Both have rust inhibiting properties.

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In the other box was my 203 to splitcase adapter. It comes nicely packaged.

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Splitcase side of adapter

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203 side of the adapter

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New output (203)/input (splitcase) shaft on the left, old shaft on the right, and the bearing retainer and gear reused from the 203 case.

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The 203 bearing retainer fits into the this spot. It was a little too tight so i ended up lightly sanding the bearing retainer housing until it fit into the adapter snuggly. The minimal instructions also said to remove that tab on the bearing retainer but there was a cutout for it in the adapters so I left it.

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Now it fits

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The shaft is installed and I ended up replacing that bearing. Napa wanted $59 for it but I found a bearing house and they had one for $29 so I went with the bearing house.

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The doubler is assembled. You can see the access plate that I made. I just need to tap the hole for a fill plug and paint it.

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Shifter side, the adapter comes with a hole and fitting for a breather

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The kit comes with a sealed bearing to separate the two cases. There are two bearings in a row, one on the adapter and one on the bearing retainer of the 203.

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Tranny side with the shaft retainer bolted on. Those allen head screws are too tall and are bottoming on the 4L80e 4x4 adapter so I'll have to look for something slimmer to replace those screws.

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Can't answer for Mike on if he used a gasket or not but I don't see why grey RTV wouldn't be just fine for that application?

When are we building again?

Clint
 
Let's do it soon... Moab is coming!

Hurray! Just what I wanted to hear.

I don't think I used a gasket, just the RTV. I went back through my pics on the computer (not all pics get uploaded) and didn't see any that showed a gasket. I obviously used RTV and it hasn't leaked. High temp RTV is what I had handy so that's why I used it.
 
Let's do it soon... Moab is coming!

make sure you buy the wife something extra nice for Christmas so she will be a little more willing to give up her weekends for you to have some quality time with the wagon and a few friends :cheers:

After the first my schedule slows down again!

Clint
 
update

Even with all her "personality" traits, it's great to have Dora back on the road. It's been 3 weeks and I had gotten used to driving the car so when I finally took Dora around the block I felt tall. I'm sure that will wear off quickly. The :princess: is also glad to have a car back when I'm at work.

With straps, a jack and some grunt the drivetrain is all back together. Here's the new crossmember installed. I'll probably tie into this when I make a new skid plate.

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With fluids filled I started on mounting the control box for the tranny. I wanted it easy to reach but out of the way if possible. I first came up with mounting it on the shifter housing so I sat in the rig and test fit it. Thought I came up with a decent location so I spent and hour and made this bracket that I was going to attach it to.

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I sat in the seat again for more testing and just found that it wasn't going to work. I like the location but my leg wanted that space more so I moved the box to the console. It's mostly out of the way but very easy to reach.

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So this is the control box. There is and indicator to show which gear you are in, a switch to engage the lock up on the t.converter, and the knob which shifts the tranny. It's pretty simple and I understand how it's working.



With two shift solenoids (A, B) in the tranny there are four possible combinations:
  1. A-on, B-off
  2. A-off, B-off
  3. A-off, B-on
  4. A-on, B-on
That is what the knob is doing, it's combining the solenoids and that changes the gears. I don't have the manual in front of me so I don't remember which combo gets which gear. The t.converter lock up I understand because that's how I was controlling it before, on a switch. What isn't controlled in this setup is the line pressure. That's what I spent time researching and debating; how to control that. I've come up with needing to reduce line pressure when the tranny is cold and once the fluid is warm enough the system can handle full line pressure. I plan on using a simple temperature switch made for immersing that has a trigger point of 115-120F (changed from previous posts). It will be normally closed meaning anytime below that trigger point the contacts will be closed passing current through it to run the force motor (reduce line pressure). Once the tranny warms up and triggers the switch it will open the contact and stop feeding the force motor. The tranny will then default to full line pressure. The hiccup is that I couldn't find a temp switch locally and will have to order one. With it being Christmas week I wasn't going to get this until next week anyways so I ended up wiring the force motor to my previous t.converter lock up switch on the shifter housing. I leave it on until I see 120F on my tranny temp gauge and then switch it off. Once I get an immersible temp switch here I'll drop the tranny pan, weld on a bung and then wire it up. I want that automated so that I don't have to start a driving check list every time I need to go somewhere.

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With the control box mounted I got to the wiring. On the left is the tranny harness, the middle is the data cable/connecting line, and the right is a relay. I got all of this when I bought the new tranny and this is what I needed to figure out how it was being controlled. I got out my tranny manual and figured out what was going where and what it was doing. I labeled everything so I knew how to put it back together since the guy cut it out to remove it from his truck.

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This is mostly from the relay but I cleaned up the wiring, shorten leads, and replaced his electrical tape with heat shrink.

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There is a power wire that feeds the relay, the tranny harness (power goes straight to the tranny, doesn't go through the relay meaning it isn't switched), and the force motor switch. The solenoids in the tranny get fed from this power wire and then the knob sends them to ground to activate them so the other three wires connected to the relay are to ground. There is a ground wire that grounds the relay (which grounds the shift solenoids) and then the lock up solenoid is grounded before the relay. I believe it's done this way because the lock up solenoid is on a switch and not on that knob. All I did after cleaning it up was to reconnect the way it was. I put the relay in the bottom of the shifter housing.

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With those connections made I went underneath and connected to the tranny harness. There is plenty of extra data cable that I decided to just zip tie in case I want to move the control box somewhere else and need the extra line for routing. I fastened it out of the way and covered the connections with shielding.

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So you probably want to know if it worked. Well... after the engine finally warmed up and stopped stuttering (hasn't been started for 3 weeks and it's been cold) the first spin around the block ended with me parking it and running to the store for some more tranny fluid. I ended up being 4 quarts shy so what I had on hand just wasn't enough. After adding the fluid the tranny came to life. These are my impressions with very little seat time. Shifts are fast, in fact they felt faster than my previous setup. Downshifting is smoother but doesn't offer the engine braking like the old setup did. The tranny seems to run warmer but I was giving it some fuel and driving around town, not on the hwy. It seems to accelerate a little better but then again it's been 3 weeks since it last ran. With some more seat time I'll see how the details work out but overall I think it was a success and it WORKS!

One issue that bugs me was that the indicator on the control box isn't working. I thought maybe it was bad but it flickered along with another LED on the same power line so I'm going to check that connection thinking maybe it loosen when I moved the shifter housing when bolting it up. Also I can see that the knob could be harder to handle with gloves or slippery fingers so I'll probably look into getting something more like a lever.

If the control box location works out where it is I'll re-enforce the mount and paint the box to match the theme.
 
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Dude, check out the brain on Mike! The last few threads re-enforce why I have a manual tranny! You are my hero non-the-less. Glad to see Dora back on the road.

Clint
 
are you worried about the 203/splitcase cracking the tranny housing without rear support?

Nothing on the old tranny case, bolts, or adapter plate showed any sign of fatigue and I don't speed through obstacles nor do I jump my rig so I'm not worried about it. Your 205 is a bit heavier than the splitcase and if you intend to beat on your rig, support probably wouldn't hurt.
 

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