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I would want to be able to kneel to do stuff and have head room.
Im all for having room too. Believe me, I will keep it as high as I can. The problem I have run into with this design is that when one half of the top is lifted & the legs swing down, because of the length, they dont rest on the trailer. They are a few inches too long and so they are hitting about where the tire rack hinges are. :mad:

I have to shorten them a bit so they will land inside the tub. My goal is to shorten as little as possible until they land inside the tub. I figure I have 4-6" I can get rid of and still have enough room inside to move around. If that doesnt work, ........ its back to the drawing board.
 
Ok I get ya now keep us posted ... Would love one someday great work

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shortening the legs alone would not work. My next thought was that the mounting brackets would have to move inboard. But I did'nt like the idea of sliding the top around on top of the wood platform to get it into position every time. Eventually the wood would wear out. the next idea was to modify the brackets to allow an intermediate knotch that would allow the leg to land inside the tub then roll off into the main locking knotch. That would work great for set up, not so great for take down.

So, I called in MrPepper again to brainstorm on the lift mechanism. What we came up with is basically a hybrid of the 2 main designs. We're keeping the legs mounted on the long side in their current location made out of the flat bar stock, but we are adding a hinge. The hinge, in order to maintain a low profile will be similar to the safety hinge on a folding ladder with 2 pivot points that will lock into position once the leg is straight. The bottom of the legs will be permanently mounted directly below the top bracket. More fabrication...... But I really think this time we've got it right.
 
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Stay strong...you'll get it figured out!

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Hinge idea is flawed. Wont work either. I am out of ideas.
 
Volcanic Iceberg said:
Hinge idea is flawed. Wont work either. I am out of ideas.

It's more complicated but you can mount the underside of the legs on a rail and attach a steel cable. Route all 4 cables through pulleys to maybe the undersite of the trailer and connect them to 1 cable. Then lead the one cable to a small winch, manual or electric. You can just winch the cap up evenly and easy.

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Can you incorporate a sliding tube inside another, telescoping within tube with the hinge?
 
Thinking out loud...

It seems you would have to "build up" that area around the mattress (possibly 6"-8'?) to start the hinging process at the right level...it seems it may be hinging too low at the bottom of the mattress.

Then possibly the hinges could be mounted on the outside of the skirt, and with some tabs on the roof itself, so all the hinging takes place on the outside, away from binding or catching of the material, also allowing to push the tenting material in while folding..

Or put the hinges back on and buy a good quality air mattress that you inflate and deflate as needed...remember, you still need room to push the tent material in there also.

I think you were on to something with the hinges, just needs a bit of fine tuning.

Good luck,
 
I have thought about the traditional pop up trailer lift mech. (telescoping w/ cables) (my thoughs on that are: complex to build. Hard to retrofit from an existing trailer. if a cable brakes your out of luck at the camp site. not enough depth in the trailer to hide the rear telescopes. & trailer floor is stepped so the under floor mechanism would be difficult to make work.) I have also thought of the lift mech on the outside. (springed hinged arms) I may end up coming back to that idea if I can't figure out something I like. (the reason i havent gone that route is that I want the trailer to be clean on the outside. So it is obvious that it belongs with a 40 series landcruiser.) thats why even the battery, propane tank, water tank etc., will be mounted inside.

This may sound a bit weird, but at this point I am trying to think outside the box. what I am toying with right now is a 48" inflatable cube that would sit on the mattress & inflate to lift the top. Once lifted the existing steel legs fold down and lock into position. then the air bag is deflated and I proceed to attach the tent material. Take down is the opposite. I found a pool toy online that im going to buy to try the experiment to see if I can get the top to raise. If it works, the next step would be to have a more durrable one made or bought. The advantage to this method is that it will lift a heavier load.( cargo on the roof rack etc.) It could lift the top with a low PSI. It simple. Down side is I would have to incorporate a compressor/tank/ hoses etc. & if it leaks im stuck.

The other idea is a scizzor lift. Like the old wesfallia VW busses. Its a little more complicated as far as building and getting springs & such figured out but I think it would be reliable. Down side is the scizzor could be dangerous if anything got caught in it. And it may be too bulky to fit the way the trailer is built.

So right now im going to try the air bag experiment.
 
Super Slow Rodeo said:
Or maybe use air cylinders like this guy did.

Homebuilt Pop-up roof lift system - YouTube

The 12 volt electric drive lifts will raise the top as far as you need it. Not cheap, not that expensive. Around $100 a corner.

That's cool

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maybe use treaded rods (don't know if that is correct) on each leg with a small e-motor (window wiper) to power it. 4 switches on a panel and you'll have full control.

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I have thought about the traditional pop up trailer lift mech. (telescoping w/ cables) (my thoughs on that are: complex to build. Hard to retrofit from an existing trailer. if a cable brakes your out of luck at the camp site. not enough depth in the trailer to hide the rear telescopes. & trailer floor is stepped so the under floor mechanism would be difficult to make work.) I have also thought of the lift mech on the outside. (springed hinged arms) I may end up coming back to that idea if I can't figure out something I like. (the reason i havent gone that route is that I want the trailer to be clean on the outside. So it is obvious that it belongs with a 40 series landcruiser.) thats why even the battery, propane tank, water tank etc., will be mounted inside.

This may sound a bit weird, but at this point I am trying to think outside the box. what I am toying with right now is a 48" inflatable cube that would sit on the mattress & inflate to lift the top. Once lifted the existing steel legs fold down and lock into position. then the air bag is deflated and I proceed to attach the tent material. Take down is the opposite. I found a pool toy online that im going to buy to try the experiment to see if I can get the top to raise. If it works, the next step would be to have a more durrable one made or bought. The advantage to this method is that it will lift a heavier load.( cargo on the roof rack etc.) It could lift the top with a low PSI. It simple. Down side is I would have to incorporate a compressor/tank/ hoses etc. & if it leaks im stuck.

The other idea is a scizzor lift. Like the old wesfallia VW busses. Its a little more complicated as far as building and getting springs & such figured out but I think it would be reliable. Down side is the scizzor could be dangerous if anything got caught in it. And it may be too bulky to fit the way the trailer is built.

So right now im going to try the air bag experiment.


I understand, but should point out that I used my pop up for 9 years and never had any issues with the lifting mechanism. It never failed to raise or lower, as designed, for me in 9 years. And I used an impact drill to run the winch. I did inspect and oil the calbes and struts occasionally. And I used this thing almost every weekend and many long extended trips in it. I flat wore the camper out.

The lifting cables could be easily mounted under the floor of the trailer and only the post comes throught the floor inside at the corners. Then add a drill motor or small elecric winch and you could remote control the thing. That would be out of the box, Kinda! And would keep the outside lines of the trailer clean.

My problem with the air piston rams is they have horror stories going around about how they don't lift evenly. The PU cable systems have pretty much made it impossible to get them out of sync.

The Air bag idea will work well since it's lifting in the center. Storing the thing will be an issue, but nothing insurmountable.
I have a problem with scissor lifts as they tend to collaspe at the most inopportune time and can sever fingers without notice.

I had a Coleman PU with scissor lifts before I bought the Jayco and keeping the assist springs on the lift mechanism was a constant hassle. And it would collapse on one end and tweak the top every time I turned around. That's why I sold it and went to the Jayco with the winch assited lift system. Much nicer to break down and set up. The Jayco is what I enjoyed for 9 years. I hated that Coleman because it was such a pain to set up by myself.

You'll figure it out I'm sure. Your Budget will dictate how fancy the thing gets. So build it to suit yourself and enjoy it while the kids are little. I have a lot of good memories of camping in the woods next to the river with my kids when they were younger.

Best Wishes to you!

Curtis
 
I understand, but should point out that I used my pop up for 9 years and never had any issues with the lifting mechanism. It never failed to raise or lower, as designed, for me in 9 years. And I used an impact drill to run the winch. I did inspect and oil the calbes and struts occasionally. And I used this thing almost every weekend and many long extended trips in it. I flat wore the camper out.

The lifting cables could be easily mounted under the floor of the trailer and only the post comes throught the floor inside at the corners. Then add a drill motor or small elecric winch and you could remote control the thing. That would be out of the box, Kinda! And would keep the outside lines of the trailer clean.

My problem with the air piston rams is they have horror stories going around about how they don't lift evenly. The PU cable systems have pretty much made it impossible to get them out of sync.

The Air bag idea will work well since it's lifting in the center. Storing the thing will be an issue, but nothing insurmountable.
I have a problem with scissor lifts as they tend to collaspe at the most inopportune time and can sever fingers without notice.

I had a Coleman PU with scissor lifts before I bought the Jayco and keeping the assist springs on the lift mechanism was a constant hassle. And it would collapse on one end and tweak the top every time I turned around. That's why I sold it and went to the Jayco with the winch assited lift system. Much nicer to break down and set up. The Jayco is what I enjoyed for 9 years. I hated that Coleman because it was such a pain to set up by myself.

You'll figure it out I'm sure. Your Budget will dictate how fancy the thing gets. So build it to suit yourself and enjoy it while the kids are little. I have a lot of good memories of camping in the woods next to the river with my kids when they were younger.

Best Wishes to you!

Curtis
I like the cable lift mechanism. Its a great design. When I first concieved this build, thats the direction I was going to go. I have a pop up trailer now, and have grown up with them and never had a failier either. But building that mechanism myself is another story. Its not an easy project. I have over 12 hours into the legs on the top now and it is 10 times less complex of a build. and the way the trailer is not flat on the bottom and the back end is shallower than the front - its just not as easy as it sounds. Maybe you have more fab skills than I do. Im not a pro fabricator. Im not a machinist. This is my learning project. And its gone on for over 2 years! I need to get it done so I can enjoy it before the kids are grown. Storage of the air bag would be on the mattress durring transit and below deck at the camp site.
 
Lots of distractions lately. Ive got the geometry worked out. I just need to move the legs inboard about 6" and cut 4" off the length and they should land inside the tub. Time to refill my CO2 tank and start welding.
 
I spent Saturday cutting the legs down 4" and relocating each of them 6" inboard. It was a chore, but necissary. After the modification, I successfully raised and lowered the top, by myself! I still need to make some additional refinements, but I now know that it will work! I think I can lower it a few more inches and still have plenty of volume inside. Here are before after pics of the change:
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^^^ That's FANTASTIC man!!! Your perseverance paid off! So the lift setup is all manual or did you go with something else?

-Daniel

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^^^ That's FANTASTIC man!!! Your perseverance paid off! So the lift setup is all manual or did you go with something else?

-Daniel

Sent from deep in the mountains of Honduras using only sticks and rocks.

Thanks! It IS pretty fantastic. I am thrilled. This design, since its inception, has always had a top that raised straight up. I could have clam shelled it and been done long ago, however I think the advantages of this design will have been worth the struggle. I spoke to my local upholstery guy today about making the tent material. He is excited to take on the project as a diversion from refinishing sofas.

To answer your question, It is all manual, but its not too bad considering you are only ever lifting 1/2 the weight at one time. I will put together a series of photos showing each stage of the set up process once I make a few more adjustments. It will be nice to move on to other areas of the trailer now that this hurdle is behind me.
 

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