elocker install - 40 series FF rear!

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Sourcing:
Given that these are discontinued by the factory and I'm stuck overseas, got any suggestions on sources where I could order a set for front and back?

Salvage yard is the only way...


Rear:
I see that you used the long side, long splined inner from a 70 series. The local dealership may or may not have that in stock, if not it means ordering it from Japan. As a plan B would you think that the long splined Poly performance rears inners would be a workable substitute?

In the rear its the short side shaft that needs to be long spline. Up front its the long side shaft that is long spline.

I got mine from GS Cruiser parts, original Toyota, cuz all of my dealerships are too stupid to order anything but parts for Camry's.

I think phrogg4eva (spelling?) is using the Poly Perf. shafts. He had them make a long spline short side FF shaft for the rear too. Probably the ideal setup, given the extreme headaches this locker can cause with a broken shaft.
 
Re: sourcing the FJ80 rear third member with e-locker I ran accross this from Marlin crawler. Dang pricey for just one locker, although obviously it comes with new gears etc as well.

Toyota Electric Equipped | Marlin Crawler, Inc.

My question is that when you select axle type you just have the 8" high pinion and the 8" 4runner/Tacoma type. The second one is the 8", 4 pinion, V6 setup correct, which swaps places with the 8", 2 pinion, diff that presently sits in the FF axles housing that I have correct?
Second, I thought that I just got lucky as a buddy is selling the front axle from an 80 with an e-locker but I can't use that for this application because of the way that the gears are cut correct?
John
 
Re: sourcing the FJ80 rear third member with e-locker I ran accross this from Marlin crawler. Dang pricey for just one locker, although obviously it comes with new gears etc as well.

Toyota Electric Equipped | Marlin Crawler, Inc.

My question is that when you select axle type you just have the 8" high pinion and the 8" 4runner/Tacoma type. The second one is the 8", 4 pinion, V6 setup correct, which swaps places with the 8", 2 pinion, diff that presently sits in the FF axles housing that I have correct?
Second, I thought that I just got lucky as a buddy is selling the front axle from an 80 with an e-locker but I can't use that for this application because of the way that the gears are cut correct?
John

Nope, you can't use any of those assemblies. This is part of the confusion I had.

The ONLY locker you can use is the one from the rear of an FJ80. No high pinion anything. No 8"ers from the trucks. Only the 9.5" landcruiser, non-high pinion third will work, and this is only from the FJ80 rear.
 
Nope, you can't use any of those assemblies. This is part of the confusion I had.

The ONLY locker you can use is the one from the rear of an FJ80. No high pinion anything. No 8"ers from the trucks. Only the 9.5" landcruiser, non-high pinion third will work, and this is only from the FJ80 rear.

amaurer,
I guess I now know how my 7th grade algerbra teacher felt when she looked at my homework, " you got the right answer, I'm just not sure how you got there..."
The answer is that the only e-locking differential that will swap into either the front or rear axel housing of a 40 is the rear one from an FJ 80. The question is how we get there and why I'm still confused that the Marlin Crawler setups won't work. Here is how I got to my probably erroneous thought that the Marlin Crawler stuff would work. Acording to a lot of stuff that I have read including photos from this link from 4x4wire: Erik's Toyota Differential info
My 1980 cruiser has a 4 cylinder 8" diff.
"
The 4cyl 8" diff
'79-85 Trucks and 4Runners all have 4-cylinder engines and use what most call the 4cyl 8" diff in the front (the same one they use in the rear)- see "4cyl 8" diff" below. All pre-'95 4-cylinder 4wd mini-trucks & 4Runners use the Toyota 8" 2-pinion differential front and rear (except turbo models). This is known as the "4cyl diff." This diff is by far the most common diff in older Toyotas.- Ten 10mm ring gear bolts
- 27 spline pinion
- 2-pinion carrier (case)
- V6 carriers can be used in this diff if the correct bearings are used
* LPH/SPH gear info: Pirate4x4.Com Bulletin Board - View Single Post - ATTN: All, you must read! Toy FAQ
** 4cyl diffs are swappable with the V6 and high pinion diffs."


Using the identification photos and criterion my diffs match those pictured to a T. Obviously I have not opened it up to check the internals for identification.




8" Diff Housing (3rd member) Identification 4cyl has 3 ribs on each side. V6/Turbo has 4 ribs on each side and the trapezoid shaped top rib. T100/Tundra/Tacoma diff has the characteristic bearing truss.
Note- Starting in about '96, the V6 diffs started using a casting that looks nearly the same as the T100/Tundra casting from the outside. However, it doesn't have the trussed bearing cap on the inside, and the outside uses the smaller 8mm mounting studs."


Ok so that is how I got to the "I have an 8" 4cyl diff conclusion. Next the v6 diffs are swappable with the 8" 4 cyl diffs.

The V6/Turbo 8" diff
'86-95 4cyl Turbo and V6* trucks and 4runners, and ALL '96+ 4Runners use the Toyota 8" 4-pinion differential in the rear. This diff is known as the "V6/Turbo diff." - Stronger housing than the 4cyl diff
- Larger carrier bearings than the 4cyl diff
- 30 spline axles
- 27 spline pinion (pre-'96)
- Ten 10mm ring gear bolts
- 8mm axle housing studs with 12mm nuts
- 4-pinion carrier (case)
- 4cyl 8" diff carriers (cases) do not fit without custom carrier bearing adapters ($), try Inchworm Gear
- A few pre-'96 V6 trucks and 4runners have been found to have come with the 4cyl style diff from the factory. Nobody knows why.
* LPH/SPH gear info: Pirate4x4.Com Bulletin Board - View Single Post - ATTN: All, you must read! Toy FAQ
'96-up 4runner V6 diffs:
- new improved housing that looks the same as the T100/Tundra/Tacoma diff on the outside, internals are all the same as the regular V6 diff
- 30 spline pinion on OEM gears, swap pinion flange to 27 spline to use aftermarket gears
* V6 diffs are swappable with 4cyl and high pinion diffs"

I think that the Marlin Crawler setups are the using e lockers on the V6 turbo diffs which, according to this writer and his sources, swap into the 8" 4cyl diff:

"
Electric Locker
A factory option on 3rd Gen. 4Runners, Tacoma 4x4's, and Tacoma PreRunner 4x2's is an electric locking rear differential. This diff is a 4-pinon design based on the Turbo/V6 8" diff and uses the same gear sets and bearings (except for the large bearing near the locking mechanism).
These locking diffs can be retrofitted into 8" diff axles if the axle housing is modified (see this article for more info). It cannot be easily retrofitted into a T100/Tundra or open-diff Tacoma style axle housing because the mounting bolt pattern is smaller. It "could" be done by an axle builder by doing major work to the mounting flange, but that is not really a practical option.
- 30 spline pinion on OEM gears, swap pinion flange to 27 spline to use aftermarket gears."

looking at the axle housing shots here:
Differentials: Totyota Land Cruiser - Droput out with 9.5 ring gear. Found in both front and rear of Toyota Landcruisers.

the 8" 4 cyl and the 9.5 " seem to have the same external characteristics or maybe it's just late:meh:. I guess at the end is there a definitive external characteristic difference between the two housings that I can spot as I go through salvage yards in third world countries looking for two of these? Again sorry for the long post just trying to get this straight in my head so I can translate it into Spanish and explain what I'm looking for to a guy who has even less of an idea of what this is all about.
John
 
I'm not sure what you're getting at? Landcruisers don't have 8" ring gears - if you like, you can check the axle code, if it starts with a K, its a 9+" ring. Maybe the housings of the little trucks look similar, etc etc, but it makes no difference when looking in salvage yards - if it locks and its in the rear of an FJ80, it'll work. If it in anything else, it won't. If its not in any truck, just measure the gear - 9+" and it'll work, 8" it wont.

You're making this a bit hard on yourself, I think.

Axles
Regular Land Cruiser axle housings are similar to a Ford 9" and differential carriers are similar in construction to a Chevy 12bolt. The front and rear differential housings are both offset to the right in all models except some '58-62's which were centred. They have an 9.25" ring gear. The axle shafts are 33mm in diameter (the same as a some Dana 60's) 1960-67 shafts had 10 coarse splines while 68 and later shafts have 30 fine splines. In 1968, the front axle CV joints changed from ball joints to Birfield. Full Floating Axles have smaller shafts because the entire weight of the truck is bourne by the wheel bearings and the shaft itself is not loaded in flexure.

Light Duty axle housings are the same as those used in Toyota Pickup trucks. They feature a smaller housing constructed similarly to the heavy duty Land Cruiser. The ring gear is only 8" but the axle shafts are the same size and have the same number of splines as the regular Land Cruiser.

60/2 Series axles are 70mm wider than 40 series.

70 Series axles are 20mm wider than 40 series.
Toyota Land Cruiser: AXLE INFORMATION - Trucks 4x4 @ Off-Road.com

EDIT: Just to be clear, the "light duty" axles its talking about above are for the weird light duty non-US "landcruisers" like the LJ77.
 
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amaurer:
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no 40 series has a stock 8" ring gear
no 60 series has a stock 8" ring gear
ALL 70 and 80 series after 1990 has 8" front ring gear
ALL 71 and 78 series LD LC have 8" front and rear ring gears

Valcano is looking at engine size and assuming that is related to the 4 cyl Land Cruiser "B" series engines. the 4 cyl LD LC engine is on par with the website above, the HD LC 4 cyl engine cruiser does not follow the above website

Valcano, you need a full size e/locker diff if you are installing into a "stock" 40 series front diff.
 
I'm not sure what you're getting at? Landcruisers don't have 8" ring gears - if you like, you can check the axle code, if it starts with a K, its a 9+" ring. Maybe the housings of the little trucks look similar, etc etc, but it makes no difference when looking in salvage yards - if it locks and its in the rear of an FJ80, it'll work. If it in anything else, it won't. If its not in any truck, just measure the gear - 9+" and it'll work, 8" it wont.

You're making this a bit hard on yourself, I think.


Toyota Land Cruiser: AXLE INFORMATION - Trucks 4x4 @ Off-Road.com

EDIT: Just to be clear, the "light duty" axles its talking about above are for the weird light duty non-US "landcruisers" like the LJ77.

Amaurer,
No doubt I am making this harder on myself. Just making sure that I have all of this stuff that I have read correct, in perspective and understood.
Thanks

amaurer:
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no 40 series has a stock 8" ring gear
no 60 series has a stock 8" ring gear
ALL 70 and 80 series after 1990 has 8" front ring gear
ALL 71 and 78 series LD LC have 8" front and rear ring gears

Valcano is looking at engine size and assuming that is related to the 4 cyl Land Cruiser "B" series engines. the 4 cyl LD LC engine is on par with the website above, the HD LC 4 cyl engine cruiser does not follow the above website

Valcano, you need a full size e/locker diff if you are installing into a "stock" 40 series front diff.

Wayne,
Thanks. The take home message is that these will go into stock 40 series diffs so the only option is to get rear e lockers from an 80 series cruiser.
Thanks guys for helping me clear that all up in my head.
John
 
Update!:

Went on a long road trip and got to test out the locker - worked great!

One comment - turns out you should indeed do a better job waterproofing the connectors (or use weatherproof connectors). While I still doubt that it'll ever be enough of a problem to engage the motor, I did notice that the indicator lamp malfunctioned a bit when soaked (it was glowing dimly even when unlocked). I'm going to pot the ends of the connectors in epoxy and give the junction a wrap of electrical tape.
 
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Funny that this thread just popped back up as I was thinking of posting my recent results. I'm doing the rear disk brake mod now and thought that I'd use the opportunity to throw on the e- locker as well. Sadly it was sitting in a bucket in my garage for the last few months while other things went in.:o The guys in the shop followed Drew's instructions step by step and they had it all in in less than two hours. I bought the diff lock switch and controller from Drew and again using his wiring instructions I put the wire harness together in just over an hour.

I got lucky when I was ordering the short side inner axle from Sheldon at G and S and stumbled on a second e locker that he had in inventory. That just went on yesterday in even less time than the rear.:bounce: Again I used an in cab diff lock switch and controller from Drew. For the front locker I got lucky as Sheldon included the wire harness for it with the shipment. What I did was clean that harness up, i.e. got rid of stuff that Toyota had spliced into it, as I already have those accessories otherwise wired and changed out the connectors as one was broken.
Given that this is tech I will also add something that I noticed in the install of the front e locker. The first mod that I did to the rig almost three years ago was replace the stock inner axles up front with Bobby Longs Chromalloy inners and birfs. I was worried about whether the splines on short side inner would be long enough for the e locker to grab. When I purchased these I spoke to Bobby. Great guy. Back then he mentioned that his inner axles would work fine with lunch box , etc lockers. I called him again recently and he was not sure that the splines were long enough. He told me to put it all together and check. If they were long enough great and if not send them back and he would work on the inner axle to get me the extra inch + of spline length that I need. As soon as I get the inner back from Bobby I'll go out and test everything. Again great write up Drew. FYI your entire writeup and the photos are posted on the shop wall so that other guys who are considering the mod can study it and decide if they want to take the plunge as well.
:cheers:
John
 
Volcano

What about Bobby's chromo front elocker axle, long side? Does it fit?

I have the front long side inner axle from a 70 series, pre 1991, non-us, PN: 43412-60060. Do you know if they are the same dimensions/spline length?

Thanks, Dan
 
Volcano

What about Bobby's chromo front elocker axle, long side? Does it fit?

I have the front long side inner axle from a 70 series, pre 1991, non-us, PN: 43412-60060. Do you know if they are the same dimensions/spline length?

Thanks, Dan

Dan,
I'm at work now so I can't check parts numbers. Re: Bobby's front axle, long side, no, the difference in the length of the spline was suprising. Bobby's normal (30 spline version) cromo inner has splines that are a little over an inch in length. The splines on the "long splined" long side cromo for the front are around 4 inches long. I sent my old one back and Bobby ws good enough to swap it for the long splined version. Again, a really great guy to deal with.

Re: the spline length of the 70 series Toyota long side front inner, the easy way is if you have it out of the rig just measure the spline length, if it is a little over an inch long then they are not the same spline length and it won't work. If the inner is already in the rig and you want to try to get the answer without having to pull it and measure, I would call Sheldon from G and S Cruiser Parts a call. They do the set up alot and probably have worked with your 70 series inner before and can tell you.

Good luck,
John
 
Dan,
I'm at work now so I can't check parts numbers. Re: Bobby's front axle, long side, no, the difference in the length of the spline was suprising. Bobby's normal (30 spline version) cromo inner has splines that are a little over an inch in length. The splines on the "long splined" long side cromo for the front are around 4 inches long. I sent my old one back and Bobby ws good enough to swap it for the long splined version. Again, a really great guy to deal with.

Re: the spline length of the 70 series Toyota long side front inner, the easy way is if you have it out of the rig just measure the spline length, if it is a little over an inch long then they are not the same spline length and it won't work. If the inner is already in the rig and you want to try to get the answer without having to pull it and measure, I would call Sheldon from G and S Cruiser Parts a call. They do the set up alot and probably have worked with your 70 series inner before and can tell you.

Good luck, John

Actually, I probably wasn't clear. That part # is for the long splined elocker long side front axle for the 70 series. Yes, it's been in my front axle for a number of years. Don't plan on taking it out anytime soon, just want to have the correct chromo set on hand when I do.

What I meant was overall length, end to end. The 80 series axle is bound to a longer long side axle. Since he sells both, I wonder if his long splined, 30 spline (that just the birfield end that's 30 splined, right?) is the shorter 70 series axle that would fit in the 40 front axle or is it for an 80? TIA
 
Actually, I probably wasn't clear. That part # is for the long splined elocker long side front axle for the 70 series. Yes, it's been in my front axle for a number of years. Don't plan on taking it out anytime soon, just want to have the correct chromo set on hand when I do.

What I meant was overall length, end to end. The 80 series axle is bound to a longer long side axle. Since he sells both, I wonder if his long splined, 30 spline (that just the birfield end that's 30 splined, right?) is the shorter 70 series axle that would fit in the 40 front axle or is it for an 80? TIA

Dan,
Ok. I think I get you. Let me check tommorow on the overall length, end to end of Bobby's long sided, long splined inner and I'll let you know.
John
 

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