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A wise man once told me I don’t need to dump on other’s trucks to feel good about my own. It was good advice.

I’m glad the 250 owners love their 250s. To each his own. They are pretty cool looking and capable too. If I had unlimited funds, I’d add a GX 550 OT.
Going off that thought—

The fact of the matter is that Toyota decided to give us the Prado and that’s just what we are going to have to grin and bear. And while there are many things I do not like about the 250, I am excited to see so many people driving them—despite cringing every time I see one from the rear. Hopefully these ppl beat the brakes off their 250s and expose the vehicle’s weak points in the next few years so that the 250 becomes a superior vehicle with all the bugs worked out. It’s what they’re giving us so we might as well hope for the best.

That said, I think we need to push/petition for an Executive Order to allow the 70 series to be sold in the US. If there is a chance it could happen, the time is now.
 
You're still not getting it. If I have the funds, I don't care. I have something else for the serious stuff. I don't have to fix anything and money DOES make it go away.
Lol, take it easy there buckaroo! Glad you’ve got it all sorted out. For the rest of us it’s a serious consideration.
 
Regardless of whether you throw on a lift, bigger tires, etc it’s still an unmitigated low point in the system. Not a problem money can make go away. Unless your money is used to buy a non e-KDSS trim:
no need to worry about e kdss - bad engine will be number one problem

V6TT are having bearing failures left and right - check 300 section

One lady came out of driveway last nihht and truck completely dead

like my wife, she has no clue about kdss but she wants a truck with a functional motor!
 
A wise man once told me I don’t need to dump on other’s trucks to feel good about my own. It was good advice.

I’m glad the 250 owners love their 250s. To each his own. They are pretty cool looking and capable too. If I had unlimited funds, I’d add a GX 550 OT.
A wise guy once told me to buy a dump truck, and...
Where was I going with this?
 
A wise guy once told me to buy a dump truck, and...
Where was I going with this?

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I have ignored JB, that will create some peace from the continuous bogus claims.
The other day I had to check who you guys were talking to, because this thread wasn't making much sense. Saw that it was some dude I had ignored ages ago. Guess he still brings that out in people.
 
Going off that thought—

The fact of the matter is that Toyota decided to give us the Prado and that’s just what we are going to have to grin and bear. And while there are many things I do not like about the 250, I am excited to see so many people driving them—despite cringing every time I see one from the rear. Hopefully these ppl beat the brakes off their 250s and expose the vehicle’s weak points in the next few years so that the 250 becomes a superior vehicle with all the bugs worked out. It’s what they’re giving us so we might as well hope for the best.

That said, I think we need to push/petition for an Executive Order to allow the 70 series to be sold in the US. If there is a chance it could happen, the time is now.
Good news is many 200 series can survive the coming & going of the 250 series and there is always the option to buy a used LX600 or dare I say a Sequoia…
 
Lol, take it easy there buckaroo! Glad you’ve got it all sorted out. For the rest of us it’s a serious consideration.
The unlimited funds thing was a hypothetical thrown out there by Girl Dad of 3. I just agreed with that hypothetical situation. That is not my situation....trust me. I'm not buying an LC250 of any kind. It is a serious consideration for me. That is why I bought a used 200.
 
TFL’s Ike Gauntlet downhill tow test showed the hybrid in the 250 pretty much does nothing as it pertains to slowing down the vehicle on a long descent. In fact, the 6th gen 4Runner without the hybrid had less brake applications than the LC 250. I don’t quite understand that, but it goes to show how useless the hybrid system is.

You’re spot on. Engine braking is VERY important when going down a steep long grade. There’s no replacement for displacement when it comes to using the vacuum of an engine to slow down a vehicle without using brakes.

Big V8’s are way more safe than a small 4 popper for towing.

I hadn't seen that and it's pretty telling. Another example of the breed. I had a buddy camping in the hills with me and we got talking about his new Ram 4cyl turbo truck and he said it was a big mistake in retrospect. Great efficiency around town. Solid power towing. But really dangerous in the hills when towing because of the weak engine braking where he's overheated the brakes on multiple occasions and is now looking to trade for something else.

You think the turbo 4 with 8k is less safe than the turbo 6 with 12k lbs? GM with the 2.7 4cyl is perfectly fine with a 8k. One of my old medium duty GM trucks would pull 25k lbs with a little gas v8. I'm not sure this sky is falling here.

I probably wouldn't choose a midsize SUV for towing that way whether it's a 200 or a 250. But I don't think it's necessarily dangerous.

Your comments are frankly embarrassing at this point. You're the one proposing towing 8k on a light duty LC250 to race to the top of the hill on a rig rated for 6k and only 1100 lbs payload. Small brakes and diffs good enough and others must be overbuilt. Then a bunk fallacy argument. The LC250 was clearly marginal on the downhill for 5500lbs in TFL.

That doesn't take anything away from the LC250 however. Only that you're projecting well beyond. I guess a Land Cruiser badge will do that?
 
I hadn't seen that and it's pretty telling. Another example of the breed. I had a buddy camping in the hills with me and we got talking about his new Ram 4cyl turbo truck and he said it was a big mistake in retrospect. Great efficiency around town. Solid power towing. But really dangerous in the hills when towing because of the weak engine braking where he's overheated the brakes on multiple occasions and is now looking to trade for something else.



Your comments are frankly embarrassing at this point. You're the one proposing towing 8k on a light duty LC250 to race to the top of the hill on a rig rated for 6k and only 1100 lbs payload. Small brakes and diffs good enough and others must be overbuilt. Then a bunk fallacy argument. The LC250 was clearly marginal on the downhill for 5500lbs in TFL.

That doesn't take anything away from the LC250 however. Only that you're projecting well beyond. I guess a Land Cruiser badge will do that?
8k will result in death and destruction. I probably wouldn't even go down a steep hill with groceries in the back.

The weight doesn't matter to the test as long as it stresses the vehicle. The Taco 2.4 was pretty comparable if not better with 6500lbs than the lx570 on the ike test with 5,600 lb trailers. 6k on an extreme test might be plenty. 5600 was WOT to hold highway speed on the LX. So, 6500 might be enough to separate them in a measurable way.

Edit - I went back and checked the 2016 lc200. It couldn't climb Eisenhower pass with 5600 lbs in the std 8 min time. About 15 seconds slower than the 250 with 6000 and 40 seconds behind the Tacoma with 6500. If that test is a reasonable info source Tacoma no hybrid > 250 > 200.

On the downhill, the lc200 took 10 brake applications, 250 had 12 (with a bit heavier trailer). Does 400 lb matter? Probably not much. The v8 was a little better engine braking. But not much.

No projection needed. Just open eyes. The math matches the real world test. No surprises the turbo pulls better than the V8 at 11k feet. I think everyone should expect that. What is like at 6k or 8k is more interesting to me. Would be cool to see a similar test at a bit lower elevation and maybe summer heat.
 
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The other day I had to check who you guys were talking to, because this thread wasn't making much sense. Saw that it was some dude I had ignored ages ago. Guess he still brings that out in people.
Same. Gluttons for punishment. They have no idea how great this place can be..
 
Hey, it's our favorite glow in the dark superhero @Noctilucent

He's screaming from the basement, "Hey Ma! The meatloaf, we want it now!"

Back to your fairytales and little buddies you go!


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Tempt not the blade. The 250 claims the end of your line. Peasant. Now kneel and help the blade cut clean.
 
I went back and checked the 2016 lc200. It couldn't climb Eisenhower pass with 5600 lbs in the std 8 min time. About 15 seconds slower than the 250 with 6000 and 40 seconds behind the Tacoma with 6500. If that test is a reasonable info source Tacoma no hybrid > 250 > 200.

I saw that too. They also tested the other "light-duty Prado" GX550 - which pulled 9000 lbs in basically the same amount of time that the LC200 pulled 5600 lbs.
 
Seems we know Toyota is not focusing on quality, longevity and using conservative designs anymore when they start making these type of commercials…

Maybe they always did and I actually felt good about them, oh well…

 
Reading through all these comments it sounds like most of you should just buy a F350 and take a long trip.

Yeah, it's kind of telling (and funny) that towing ability towards upper capacities seems to have struck a nerve as the main differentiator in actual real world capability between these vehicles. What a niche use case for a... midsize SUV. Toyota must be laughing.

Even funnier that it's one of the "light duty" Prado's that has the highest official tow rating out of any of the "Land Cruisers". The lines are blurrier than ever.
 
Well, maybe for some the answer is a F series Ford or equivalent. I get the attraction of the same, not arguing taste. I personally really do not like Chevy, Ford and even worse Chrysler products nor do I need or want a massive size pick up. Even the 1/2 tons are to big.

The 200 series on the other hand has a foot print of a large sedan, has a fair amount of interior space, fantastic seating position with great windows/views outside and can do just about everything really well and in comfort. The list of likes is very, very long and only one or two aspects I wish would be better. That is more seat length in the front to support my upper leg (I am spoiled with the comfort seats in my 535d) and a motor/transmission/cruise control management to handle lock up and shifting down going over short incline’s a bit better (again Mr T should drive a BMW and take note).
 
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Well, maybe for some the answer is a F series Ford or equivalent. I get the attraction of the same, not arguing taste. I personally really do not like Chevy, Ford and even worse Chrysler products nor do I need or want a massive size pick up. Even the 1/4 tons are to big.
I like the idea of a full-size, one-ton for towing, but in practice I'm much as you: don't like them, don't really need em. And my utility trailer fits more dirt than any truck's bed, which is just about the only metric that makes a difference for my non-towing use.

A year or two ago I briefly drove my neighbour's one-ton, diesel GMC Sierra, and I was shocked at how small it was inside. And it was a newer model, around 2022 MY or so.

It felt like being in a Tacoma, except with even worse visibility. Tiny windows, huge hood, big pillars, awkward in all directions. I was very surprised because I expected a one-ton truck to be huge inside. That really made me appreciate the room, visibility, and "open air feel" inside my LX. Huge, huge difference.
 
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As much as I love my 200, the fuel boiling issues when towing our off-road trailer always makes me wonder if I should get a truck… but like you pointed out I hate driving them.
 
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