Don't let them have your 200 (2 Viewers)

[77pantera]

Reading through all these comments it sounds like most of you should just buy a F350 and take a long trip.

I bought a F250 brand new and have taken it across the country a few times. Often with a car in tow.
It's a great truck, and unloaded the fuel economy is comparable to my 200. But it's a stripper XL and not the most comfortable roadtrip vehicle.
My buddies 2017 Platinum F350 dually has as many bells and whistles as any 200, and easily tows his 40ft 5th wheel.

But now we are comparing two different classes of vehicles.

 

[ryanCA]

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damn the 250 owner on the right is naasteeeeeee

 

[hoser]

8k will result in death and destruction. I probably wouldn't even go down a steep hill with groceries in the back.

The weight doesn't matter to the test as long as it stresses the vehicle. The Taco 2.4 was pretty comparable if not better with 6500lbs than the lx570 on the ike test with 5,600 lb trailers. 6k on an extreme test might be plenty. 5600 was WOT to hold highway speed on the LX. So, 6500 might be enough to separate them in a measurable way.

Edit - I went back and checked the 2016 lc200. It couldn't climb Eisenhower pass with 5600 lbs in the std 8 min time. About 15 seconds slower than the 250 with 6000 and 40 seconds behind the Tacoma with 6500. If that test is a reasonable info source Tacoma no hybrid > 250 > 200.

The '15 LX did it in 7:42 with a 5600 lbs trailer. And the '16 Tundra 5.7L did it in 8:18 with a 9,000 lb trailer.

This is a very specific 8 mile section at 11k ft that completely favors turbo vehicles due to altitude. I love turbo vehicles, I have three of them. But how many folks here frequently tow the Eisenhower tunnel? The very common tow in CA is to Tahoe... 0-7,000 ft over a distance of 80 miles.

 

[ryanCA]

The '15 LX did it in 7:42 with a 5600 lbs trailer. And the '16 Tundra 5.7L did it in 8:18 with a 9,000 lb trailer.

This is a very specific 8 mile section at 11k ft that completely favors turbo vehicles due to altitude. I love turbo vehicles, I have three of them. But how many folks here frequently tow the Eisenhower tunnel? The very common tow in CA is to Tahoe... 0-7,000 ft over a distance of 80 miles.

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Well said


Have few turbo cars as well and love them, like you. Also I never tow in CO.

All my towing is done Los Angeles to Donner Lake and Los Angeles to Joshua tree. Love my 5.7L tow beast.


We have a dodge ram 2500 diesel at the farm. 2019 model. Great comfortable tow vehicle. POS quality. Good thing is its govt 179 paid for.

 

[Jetboy]

I have bounced around between midsize SUV, f250, currently Tundra and a side by side are working okay. But it's a bit unique to where I live temporarily.

One of the biggest advantages of a short wheelbase tow vehicle is the ability to take it to the national parks. Often unappreciated value. About 95% of all campgrounds in the national parks have a 40 ft combined tow vehicle and trailer Max. Even when I had a diesel F-250 in the driveway, I often had to tow my travel trailer with my 4Runner because the total combination length was about 10 feet shorter with the 4Runner and that opened up tons of access. Plus it's just a million times nicer to drive as a daily driver.

 

[Jetboy]

The '15 LX did it in 7:42 with a 5600 lbs trailer. And the '16 Tundra 5.7L did it in 8:18 with a 9,000 lb trailer.

This is a very specific 8 mile section at 11k ft that completely favors turbo vehicles due to altitude. I love turbo vehicles, I have three of them. But how many folks here frequently tow the Eisenhower tunnel? The very common tow in CA is to Tahoe... 0-7,000 ft over a distance of 80 miles.

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It is interesting how the tundra performs versus the 200 and the 8 speed vs 6. I wonder if it's torque management because of the lighter powertrain where Toyota backs off a bit on the 200 8 speed.

I think the main point is that the 250 and the 200 are comparable on the test of towing up a big steep mountain pass. I don't think the turbo 4 is far off. With a tune it should be really well suited for a mid size travel trailer.

Probably more interesting to me is the hybrid under performing vs the base engine. If it had 10kwh battery so it could add the power all the way up the pass, it would be amazing. Could pull like a rivian without the range penalty. Maybe Toyota will eventually update it.

Tahoe climb would be a good test. Probably closer to what most people do. My guess is that they'd be pretty close.

 

[1MOA]

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This past weekend, we decided to sell our 2024 heritage blue 250 FE and will continue enjoying our 2016 200 series. We put 9k miles on the 250, and thankfully didn’t lose our shirt on the deal. The First Edition held its value very well and we lost around 3k once all was said and done. The 250...

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I unfortunately bought the rolling disappointment and learned the hard way. .

Gold level comment.

 

[hoser]

It is interesting how the tundra performs versus the 200 and the 8 speed vs 6. I wonder if it's torque management because of the lighter powertrain where Toyota backs off a bit on the 200 8 speed.

I think the main point is that the 250 and the 200 are comparable on the test of towing up a big steep mountain pass. I don't think the turbo 4 is far off. With a tune it should be really well suited for a mid size travel trailer.

Probably more interesting to me is the hybrid under performing vs the base engine. If it had 10kwh battery so it could add the power all the way up the pass, it would be amazing. Could pull like a rivian without the range penalty. Maybe Toyota will eventually update it.

Tahoe climb would be a good test. Probably closer to what most people do. My guess is that they'd be pretty close.

That test of the '16 200 was the first year of the 8 speed transmission. The following year, they came out with an ECU update that fixed some shifting issues. I don't know what exactly though.

The 2025 4Runner (non-hybrid) also "beats" the LC250 in that one test. Probably because the electric motor never comes into play and the 250 has hybrid weight penalty.

 

[2021 LC200]

The '15 LX did it in 7:42 with a 5600 lbs trailer. And the '16 Tundra 5.7L did it in 8:18 with a 9,000 lb trailer.

This is a very specific 8 mile section at 11k ft that completely favors turbo vehicles due to altitude. I love turbo vehicles, I have three of them. But how many folks here frequently tow the Eisenhower tunnel? The very common tow in CA is to Tahoe... 0-7,000 ft over a distance of 80 miles.

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Well spoken. I have one inline 6 single variable vane turbo diesel which is awesome in all aspects. Also provides easy access when the days comes for repairs and prevents hot V issues. Beside the awesome 5.7 V8 in our 200 series I would have liked say a 4 liter inline 6 with a turbo even more. Oh well, nothing perfect.

 

[2021 LC200]

That test of the '16 200 was the first year of the 8 speed transmission. The following year, they came out with an ECU update that fixed some shifting issues. I don't know what exactly though.

The 2025 4Runner (non-hybrid) also "beats" the LC250 in that one test. Probably because the electric motor never comes into play and the 250 has a >500 lb weight penalty.

Hybrid shines in city traffic. So for many daily drivers a potential good choice. Otherwise for a Land Cruiser meant to do all well it is a pretty poor choice, unless the ICE itself is powerful like in the Sequoia or LX700h.

 

[Jetboy]

That test of the '16 200 was the first year of the 8 speed transmission. The following year, they came out with an ECU update that fixed some shifting issues. I don't know what exactly though.

The 2025 4Runner (non-hybrid) also "beats" the LC250 in that one test. Probably because the electric motor never comes into play and the 250 has a >500 lb weight penalty.

The hybrid makes no sense to me. I just don't understand the engineering logic on it. Maybe it's wonderful in city stop and go?

 

[hoser]

Stop and go, passing, on ramp, off road... brake wear.

 

[2021 LC200]

Have no issue doing all of that with my 535d and LC200 and with ease.

Again Hybrid is for city driving a great solution to really impact fuel cost, otherwise just useless complexity for very little gain or negative when towing

PS my 535d gets 30 mpg city and 42 mpg highway so no need for a hybrid in my case

 

[ryanCA]

Have no issue doing all of that with my 535d and LC200 and with ease.

Again Hybrid is for city driving a great solution to really impact fuel cost, otherwise just useless complexity for very little gain or negative when towing

PS my 535d gets 30 mpg city and 42 mpg highway so no need for a hybrid in my case

when you die, would you prefer your 535 d or your LC to be your last possession?

for me my mint 9,100 mile, 62 is what I want to die with.

Let the kids and wives fight over alll the other toys

of course given my weight, 5.7 L will need to tow me to the morgue

 

[2021 LC200]

when you die, would you prefer your 535 d or your LC to be your last possession?

for me my mint 9,100 mile, 62 is what I want to die with.

Let the kids and wives fight over alll the other toys

of course given my weight, 5.7 L will need to tow me to the morgue

That is an interesting question, The BMW 535d is such a driving machine yet the LC200 is awesome in so many ways and growing on me more and more. So I would say the latter. I also do not think the 535d is going to survive me… yet I would not have want to have missed that experience by just owning a 200.

 

[Jetboy]

Stop and go, passing, on ramp, off road... brake wear.

I'm not sure Toyota even got that right. The 0-60 on the LC250 tested is around 8 seconds. MT was 8.0, Edmunds was 8.2. The new 4Runner was 7.8 on the same Motortrend test and 7.7 at Edmunds. All signs seem to point to a hybrid system that doesn't actually do anything useful outside of the inverter. It's a lot of added weight/complexity to be slower and worse under load.

 

[ryanCA]

That is an interesting question, The BMW 535d is such a driving machine yet the LC200 is awesome in so many ways and growing on me more and more. So I would say the latter. I also do not think the 535d is going to survive me… yet I would not have want to have missed that experience by just owning a 200.

more interesting than this junk thread every month for sure

my cousin has the 5xx e bmw. They are the local secretary lease specials

very nice inside

i do miss my Z3M clownshoe

but that was a long time ago

we had to do radiator and cooling system and the subframe keep breaking before randy forbes came with solution

was surprise to see such junk quality having supra mr2 and nsx

hope your bmw treats you right and see you in LC heaven - at least we will get some peace there as aint gonna be no 250 owners there

 

[Leelanau]

hope your bmw treats you right and see you in LC heaven - at least we will get some peace there as aint gonna be no 250 owners there

You better hope Prado Purgatory is not within shouting distance!

 

[ryanCA]

You better hope Prado Purgatory is not within shouting distance!

No chance

200 owners are Brahmins

Those guy are Dalits

 

[hoser]

I'm not sure Toyota even got that right. The 0-60 on the LC250 tested is around 8 seconds. MT was 8.0, Edmunds was 8.2. The new 4Runner was 7.8 on the same Motortrend test and 7.7 at Edmunds. All signs seem to point to a hybrid system that doesn't actually do anything useful outside of the inverter. It's a lot of added weight/complexity to be slower and worse under load.

Like the old Fox body Mustang 5.0 (five point slow) and the chipped Audi/VW 1.8T's feel great with a lot of low end torque but really pretty slow. Drivability is good though. Fools a lot of butt dynos.