Don't let them have your 200

[Noctilucent]

When you compare a BMW 3 and 5 series there are many similarities yet just about everything in a 5 series is bigger, better seats, more sound insulation etc etc

The 300 series is a true follow up and in many ways another step up from a 200 series. The 250 is a follow up of the 150 and a poor one from what I have seen and felt.

Watch some Aussie videos of Gross Vehicle Mass upgrades and it’s clear the 250 is a step down from the 300 series. There maybe some shared frame components but even there the 300 series is beefier.

Why do not 250 Prado owners take their energy in the 250 part of the forum instead of trying to convince real Land Cruiser owners what their Prado is?

You’ve Seen and Felt, huh? Based on what I’ve heard from you, I’m not sure you’re the best at spotting quality in things. The 250 has a seriously impressive interior. The pillar handles feel great the rubber compound is aggressive yet comfy. The dashboard’s a perfect mix of textures and soft materials that feel really really good to the touch. I’m admitedly disgustingly picky but after sitting in a 200 I wasn’t as impressed by the materials compared to what’s found in this newer Cruiser.. The digital rearview mirror is nice and the seats feel and are super comfy. The gearshift feels solid and confident. The heads up display is a nice touch that you can turn off hif you want, but I think it’s done well. The navigation screen is sharp, and the A/C controls click just right. The headliner is smple and dark tying everything together. The off road controls are well placed. and the list goes on and on... Overall the meticulously crafted interior screams quality and really deserves a standing ovation.

But you, like Grendel in Beowulf, seem to just want to tear down the 250 out of spite instead of apreciating the quality. Kind of like how Grendel couldn’t stand the joy and noise from the mead hall you can’t seem to handle the craftsmanship in the 250 and are just looking for flaws where there are none. And just like Grendel who’s ultimately destroyed by his own hatred it seems like your attempts to tear down the 250 will only leave you with nothing but bitterness.

 

[Girl Dad of 3]

You’ve Seen and Felt, huh? Based on what I’ve heard from you, I’m not sure you’re the best at spotting quality in things. The 250 has a seriously impressive interior. The pillar handles feel great the rubber compound is aggressive yet comfy. The dashboard’s a perfect mix of textures and soft materials that feel really really good to the touch. I’m admitedly disgustingly picky but after sitting in a 200 I wasn’t as impressed by the materials compared to what’s found in this newer Cruiser.. The digital rearview mirror is nice and the seats feel and are super comfy. The gearshift feels solid and confident. The heads up display is a nice touch that you can turn off hif you want, but I think it’s done well. The navigation screen is sharp, and the A/C controls click just right. The headliner is smple and dark tying everything together. The off road controls are well placed. and the list goes on and on... Overall the meticulously crafted interior screams quality and really deserves a standing ovation.

But you, like Grendel in Beowulf, seem to just want to tear down the 250 out of spite instead of apreciating the quality. Kind of like how Grendel couldn’t stand the joy and noise from the mead hall you can’t seem to handle the craftsmanship in the 250 and are just looking for flaws where there are none. And just like Grendel who’s ultimately destroyed by his own hatred it seems like your attempts to tear down the 250 will only leave you with nothing but bitterness.

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You must be an English major and/or teacher.

The better literary comparison here may be Cervantes. This whole thread is tilting at windmills. The real enemy are not among us. It’s Jeeps, Broncos, and most of all Land Rovers.

And don’t forget about the 300 series owners.

 

[Jetboy]

Does the 250 have a dedicated trans cooler or is it using coolant for heat rejection? I'd be interested to see a report from an OBDII monitor to see how quickly the trans temp comes up. On the Ram 2500 it has no such 'standard' coolant integration and in the winter takes 45-60 minutes of highway driving for the trans to come up to full operating temp.


^ This is my understanding of the 100/200 design as well.

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Yes. The 250, and every Toyota auto in the last 20+ years, uses fluid warmer. It's a universal design. Some combine with a cooler in the radiator. Some use an additional stand alone radiator like the LC200 and RAV4 do. But they all use a fluid warmer

 

[Jetboy]

Since the battery is not infinite size once it is charged it does not brake the vehicle anymore. Then there is the programming or control of the same. On our daughters 2022 Accord Hybrid there are steering wheel pedals which allow additional braking or regen. Not familiar whether the Toyota hybrids have something like that. Could be helpful be it for a finite amount of time. Maybe a couple of miles downhill but then what…?

It depends on the ability of the components to handle heat and dissipate it. They can use the motor as an eddy current brake directly or use the battery as a resistance base heat exchange to transfer the energy away. But at a minimum they should use regeneration breaking and it doesn't seem to even do that very much.

If they wanted to actually engineer for towing - then you'd have a big battery with cooling setup so it could either regen or cool away the energy. I think we'll see a lot more innovation from Ford in the next superduty phev that's supposedly coming pretty soon.

 

[liv2bike]

You’ve Seen and Felt, huh? Based on what I’ve heard from you, I’m not sure you’re the best at spotting quality in things. The 250 has a seriously impressive interior. The pillar handles feel great the rubber compound is aggressive yet comfy. The dashboard’s a perfect mix of textures and soft materials that feel really really good to the touch. I’m admitedly disgustingly picky but after sitting in a 200 I wasn’t as impressed by the materials compared to what’s found in this newer Cruiser.. The digital rearview mirror is nice and the seats feel and are super comfy. The gearshift feels solid and confident. The heads up display is a nice touch that you can turn off hif you want, but I think it’s done well. The navigation screen is sharp, and the A/C controls click just right. The headliner is smple and dark tying everything together. The off road controls are well placed. and the list goes on and on... Overall the meticulously crafted interior screams quality and really deserves a standing ovation.

But you, like Grendel in Beowulf, seem to just want to tear down the 250 out of spite instead of apreciating the quality. Kind of like how Grendel couldn’t stand the joy and noise from the mead hall you can’t seem to handle the craftsmanship in the 250 and are just looking for flaws where there are none. And just like Grendel who’s ultimately destroyed by his own hatred it seems like your attempts to tear down the 250 will only leave you with nothing but bitterness.

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I’ve seen and felt. Side by side. My 200 and a Prado. Even my kids quickly realized how much better our 200 is. The Prado wasn’t even close.

 

[hoser]

I mean - if you hooked up the same trailer behind both, either 6 or 8k lbs, - the LC250 would pull it up a steep pass faster or maintain a higher constant speed.

You're comparing the power curve of the hybrid 2.4 with fully charged battery. What happens when the 2 Kw battery is depleted? It has the power output of the non-hybrid (Blue line). The most popular mountain here is Tahoe and the climb is over an hour long. When will it recharge the battery?

 

[ryanCA]

Owning a 1947 Packard is showing your age.

Then I shouldn’t post my 47 Ford pickup I dd around LA

 

[ryanCA]

Yes, it is a Prado, but some people that bought into Toyota's marketing fantasy have a bit of trouble to accept that. This is a troll that just joined mud (probably after ordering his 250) and that needs to convince himself over and over again by coming to the forums and defending his Prado purchase at his wit's end. Oh, and sometimes he also uses AI to up his trolling of people like you that disagree with his arguments too. Just a real peach.

gospel!!!

keep it up

 

[ryanCA]

I’ve seen and felt. Side by side. My 200 and a Prado. Even my kids quickly realized how much better our 200 is. The Prado wasn’t even close.

how do i make my kids as smart as yours

 

[ryanCA]

But hey, it has a Land Cruiser badge, right? So it must be good?

 

[Jetboy]

You're comparing the power curve of the hybrid 2.4 with fully charged battery. What happens when the 2 Kw battery is depleted? It has the power output of the non-hybrid (Blue line). The most popular mountain here is Tahoe and the climb is over an hour long. When will it recharge the battery?

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I was using the numbers without the hybrid. Engine only.

I misread the chart at first. The t24a non hybrid is 317 ft lbs at 1700rpm. The hybrid is 465 at 1700 rpm. I was only calculating based on 317. At 465 - it's not really even competitive - the hybrid crushes the 5.7. but the Toyota neutered it.

 

[ryanCA]

Why do not 250 Prado owners take their energy in the 250 part of the forum instead of trying to convince real Land Cruiser owners what their Prado is?

human mind is an interesting place ….

 

[ryanCA]

Just like the new Taco bros stepping into the Tundra forums and flexing.

Next thing you know will be Rav4 bros telling us all how it really is.

i drive a highlander

i am better than rav4 bros , Paul

 

[TeCKis300]

i drive a highlander

i am better than rav4 bros , Paul

Highlander bros are cool. They just like us.

 

[ryanCA]

Highlander bros are cool. They just like us.

i even put a LC badge on my 08 highlander

 

[hoser]

I was using the numbers without the hybrid. Engine only.I misread the chart at first. The t24a non hybrid is 317 ft lbs at 1700rpm. The hybrid is 465 at 1700 rpm. I was only calculating based on 317. At 465 - it's not really even competitive - the hybrid crushes the 5.7. but the Toyota neutered it.\

I mean - if you hooked up the same trailer behind both, either 6 or 8k lbs, - the LC250 would pull it up a steep pass faster or maintain a higher constant speed.

Non-hybrid vs 5.7? Okay, I'll take that bet.

 

[Leelanau]

You’ve Seen and Felt, huh? Based on what I’ve heard from you, I’m not sure you’re the best at spotting quality in things. The 250 has a seriously impressive interior. The pillar handles feel great the rubber compound is aggressive yet comfy. The dashboard’s a perfect mix of textures and soft materials that feel really really good to the touch. I’m admitedly disgustingly picky but after sitting in a 200 I wasn’t as impressed by the materials compared to what’s found in this newer Cruiser.. The digital rearview mirror is nice and the seats feel and are super comfy. The gearshift feels solid and confident. The heads up display is a nice touch that you can turn off hif you want, but I think it’s done well. The navigation screen is sharp, and the A/C controls click just right. The headliner is smple and dark tying everything together. The off road controls are well placed. and the list goes on and on... Overall the meticulously crafted interior screams quality and really deserves a standing ovation.

But you, like Grendel in Beowulf, seem to just want to tear down the 250 out of spite instead of apreciating the quality. Kind of like how Grendel couldn’t stand the joy and noise from the mead hall you can’t seem to handle the craftsmanship in the 250 and are just looking for flaws where there are none. And just like Grendel who’s ultimately destroyed by his own hatred it seems like your attempts to tear down the 250 will only leave you with nothing but bitterness.

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Hey, it's our favorite glow in the dark superhero @Noctilucent

He's screaming from the basement, "Hey Ma! The meatloaf, we want it now!"

Back to your fairytales and little buddies you go!

 

[ryanCA]

Hey, it's our favorite glow in the dark superhero @Noctilucent

He's screaming from the basement, "Hey Ma! The meatloaf, we want it now!"

Back to your fairytales and little buddies you go!


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[2021 LC200]

It depends on the ability of the components to handle heat and dissipate it. They can use the motor as an eddy current brake directly or use the battery as a resistance base heat exchange to transfer the energy away. But at a minimum they should use regeneration breaking and it doesn't seem to even do that very much.

If they wanted to actually engineer for towing - then you'd have a big battery with cooling setup so it could either regen or cool away the energy. I think we'll see a lot more innovation from Ford in the next superduty phev that's supposedly coming pretty soon.

If you can imagine it does not mean it is reality or practical. Definitely does not progress the discussion whether the 250 is a good tow vehicle compared to the 200 or as you claimed is in fact the same…The 200 is user proven to be able to handle travel trailers (loaded) all the way up to its published rating of 8100 to 8500 lbs. I expect to 250 will do fine up to 6000 lbs. That means many travel trailers with a body of 24 to 26 ft cannot be safely handled by the 250 throughout the roads and in specific the big mountains. You are in the 16 to 20ft category making them pretty small. However who cares anyway if you are not into travel trailers. I wonder sometimes it would not be easier to just go from hotel to hotel.

All in all the 250 Prado is fine for what it is, just stop searching for arguments why it matches the 200.

Most 3 series max out at 155 mph (250 kph) and so does the 5 and 7 series. However they all are different and I consider the 5 the best balance between size, capability, performance and comfort. Like the 200 series, top of the hill.

 

[2021 LC200]

I was using the numbers without the hybrid. Engine only.

I misread the chart at first. The t24a non hybrid is 317 ft lbs at 1700rpm. The hybrid is 465 at 1700 rpm. I was only calculating based on 317. At 465 - it's not really even competitive - the hybrid crushes the 5.7. but the Toyota neutered it.

How is the hybrid power helping you when you tow especially uphill when you need most of it?

Battery will be long depleted so stop making these dumb arguments. Maybe go fly planes as “jetboy” and stick with that. I like planes by the way. On a forum like that we could be great friends…