Does anyone know when the 2020 Heritage Edition will actually hit dealers?

[dnh1]

I for one only became interested in the land cruiser when I saw the 2020 heritage marketing materials. I then test drove a 2019, ordered and bought a heritage.

I'm not sure I'd own a land cruiser if not for the heritage. I have been a loyal Toyota consumer for years however.

Thats awesome. It’s a great truck.

 

[Avalon911]

I for one only became interested in the land cruiser when I saw the 2020 heritage marketing materials. I then test drove a 2019, ordered and bought a heritage.

I'm not sure I'd own a land cruiser if not for the heritage. I have been a loyal Toyota consumer for years however.

I'm in the same boat. I've wanted a Land Cruiser for a while. Always said I would buy one as soon as they offer it without that ridiculous (for me) third row. I looked at the two row LX, but the styling just wasn't for me. As soon as I saw the HE, it was a done deal. I love the wheels, clean sides, and the other small changes they made. I think the modest price increase is actually quite reasonable and explained in large part by the wheels alone. I asked my dealer to swap tires on Toyota's nickel due to the website (still) saying the HE came with 285/65/18. Still waiting for a response.

For me, the 200 HE is a dinosaur. Old tech, old styling, old school -- which I love. Another last of the analog vehicles in an increasingly digital world. Get them while you can. Might even be the last of the breed here in the US. Who knows? Lots of speculation.

 

[AUswimmer]

I'm in the same boat. I've wanted a Land Cruiser for a while. Always said I would buy one as soon as they offer it without that ridiculous (for me) third row. I looked at the two row LX, but the styling just wasn't for me. As soon as I saw the HE, it was a done deal. I love the wheels, clean sides, and the other small changes they made. I think the modest price increase is actually quite reasonable and explained in large part by the wheels alone. I asked my dealer to swap tires on Toyota's nickel due to the website (still) saying the HE came with 285/65/18. Still waiting for a response.

For me, the 200 HE is a dinosaur. Old tech, old styling, old school -- which I love. Another last of the analog vehicles in an increasingly digital world. Get them while you can. Might even be the last of the breed here in the US. Who knows? Lots of speculation.

What he said....... Both of you....

 

[Avalon911]

Here’s the deal. I was dying to get a Heritage until I really thought about it. Realistically, the Heritage is a stripped version of the regular LC base in the end. No semi aniline leather seats. No cool box. No third row. The only “nicer” things are darkened headlights, a different grill, and neat looking wheels. Don’t get me wrong, I love them. But it’s insane they cost $2k more than a regular LC for less stuff.

Its just kind of ironic. The LX two row also comes with the non semi anilene leather and no coolbox and no third row. It’s substantially cheaper than a Heritage and sure as heck doesn’t cost more than a regular 3row LX. But it doesn’t have bronze wheels or a TLC badge on it.

All of that being said, the Heritage is indeed bad @sa and unique. Not saying it’s not and not knocking it. Just crazy Toyota is charging more for it. I’m not saying dealers. Of course they should due to demand. But it has to cost Toyota less than a regular LC and they charge more on MSRP. Good business.

I respect your opinion, but I disagree completely. All LC's are completely loaded vehicles. There are a couple trade-offs between the base and the HE, all of which are of value to me. I'm glad Toyota kept the HE under $90k as they send the 200 into pasture.

 

[AUswimmer]

I'm in the same boat. I've wanted a Land Cruiser for a while. Always said I would buy one as soon as they offer it without that ridiculous (for me) third row. I looked at the two row LX, but the styling just wasn't for me. As soon as I saw the HE, it was a done deal. I love the wheels, clean sides, and the other small changes they made. I think the modest price increase is actually quite reasonable and explained in large part by the wheels alone. I asked my dealer to swap tires on Toyota's nickel due to the website (still) saying the HE came with 285/65/18. Still waiting for a response.

For me, the 200 HE is a dinosaur. Old tech, old styling, old school -- which I love. Another last of the analog vehicles in an increasingly digital world. Get them while you can. Might even be the last of the breed here in the US. Who knows? Lots of speculation.

Limited options with P285/65 r18 tires. Wonder if they meant P275/65 r 18 which could have been Michelin AT2s that come on the Tundra Pro. More aggressive side swipes and made at their Oklahoma plant?

 

[Avalon911]

Limited options with P285/65 r18 tires. Wonder if they meant P275/65 r 18 which could have been Michelin AT2s that come on the Tundra Pro. More aggressive side swipes and made at their Oklahoma plant?

I've done tons of research on the tire situation. I'm resigned that I'll have to get an E tire if I go 285/65/18. I'll probably do it anyway and just deal with the abysmal fuel mileage. All about aesthetics - lol!

 

[AUswimmer]

I've done tons of research on the tire situation. I'm resigned that I'll have to get an E tire if I go 285/65/18. I'll probably do it anyway and just deal with the abysmal fuel mileage. All about aesthetics - lol!

I reached the same conclusion. Thought about RWs for my 2010. In 285/70 r17 there are several options without going E rated in AT tires. XL, SL in several tires and even C rated in KO2s

 

[RobW0]

The Pirelli Scorpion AT Plus was one of the tires that I was considering before I went with the BFG KO2.

Scorpion™ All Terrain Plus

Here is someone with them on a 200.

Codyaustin5's Build Thread

 

[Joshuak172]

Is it safe to assume this is the last production year of the 200 given that the heritage edition is being produced?

 

[Madtiger]

Is it safe to assume this is the last production year of the 200 given that the heritage edition is being produced?

HE is to celebrate 65 years, not so much the end of the line.

 

[LBridges]

Is it safe to assume this is the last production year of the 200 given that the heritage edition is being produced?

Don't think so. Friend is a Toyota dealer's fleet manager. Told me about changes to Tundra and Tacoma (hybrid stuff), but knew nothing about LC changes. I would expect to see the change a year (or more?) after Tundra proves out the drive train concept.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

Mine arrived... but I had to send them back home

 

[Doomstar]

Saw one yesterday at Smart Toyota in Madison, WI. It was...epic looking. Some actual drooling occurred.

 

[gmbjake]

The mechanic who installed the OEM spacer on my HE thought there was room to add a larger spacer without changing the original coils. Any opinion on this Eric Sarjeant ???

 

[dnh1]

I just watched @cruiseroutfit ’s video with the HEs in it. I will admit - they look great!

Video

 

[waybigdog]

The mechanic who installed the OEM spacer on my HE thought there was room to add a larger spacer without changing the original coils. Any opinion on this Eric Sarjeant ???

What size did you go with ? And are you happy with the result ?Pic would be great!

 

[bloc]

The mechanic who installed the OEM spacer on my HE thought there was room to add a larger spacer without changing the original coils. Any opinion on this Eric Sarjeant ???

Keep in mind the OE spacer sits above the shock/spring assembly. This means it moves the whole shock travel down in relation to the arm swing arc, it does not extend it. At some point you’ll run out of downtravel in the suspension arm and cv before the shock reaches full extension, and more harmful, you can run out of shock uptravel before the arm hits its bump stops, which are what was designed to take this force, not the shock.

Plus you’ll eventually run out of length on the upper shock bolts which go through the spacer.

TLDR version: if you want more than the OE spacer lift on your brand new $80k+ vehicle you should go about it the correct way and buy a spring/shock package designed to operate in that range.

 

[gmbjake]

What size did you go with ? And are you happy with the result ?Pic would be great!

The OEM spacer adds about an inch. It looks much better but still sits up a little high in the rear. There is a picture earlier in this thread.

 

[gmbjake]

Keep in mind the OE spacer sits above the shock/spring assembly. This means it moves the whole shock travel down in relation to the arm swing arc, it does not extend it. At some point you’ll run out of downtravel in the suspension arm and cv before the shock reaches full extension, and more harmful, you can run out of shock uptravel before the arm hits its bump stops, which are what was designed to take this force, not the shock.

Plus you’ll eventually run out of length on the upper shock bolts which go through the spacer.

TLDR version: if you want more than the OE spacer lift on your brand new $80k+ vehicle you should go about it the correct way and buy a spring/shock package designed to operate in that range.

Sounds like there is plenty of risk by adding a larger spacer. I was just hoping to get closer to level and maintain the factory suspension. I am open to buy an adjustable system like ICON but understand it will lift the rear even more.

 

[bloc]

Sounds like there is plenty of risk by adding a larger spacer. I was just hoping to get closer to level and maintain the factory suspension. I am open to buy an adjustable system like ICON but understand it will lift the rear even more.

We should get to the bottom of how much taller they actually are and why then. It could be lighter weight in rear, could be different coils...

Time to start some research.

All compared to a stock 19/20:
Rear coil and shock part numbers
Distance between rear axle and bump stop
Weight on rear tires when unloaded