Did the LC200 just go up in value (more) after the 250 release? (1 Viewer)
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That's the rational question isn't it! And, at least, the 550 doesn't have a crazy grill like the LX. But I've always owned LCs, the Lexus versions in the past haven't held their value or had trim and features that were too much for me. I like the "below the radar" of driving a Toyota. OTOH, will the 250's be built in Japan at the dedicated LC plant? Will it have windshields with the extra thickness, the heavier undercarriage and drive train components and have 25 year failures built into major components like past LCs?
I realize the dilemma, but IMHO modern vehicles are never a good financial investment and shouldn't be considered as such. I can't imagine the '20 holding up to $80 in value over the potential length of your ownership. (Though maybe I just lack imagination.) I would suggest making the decision based on other factors. If you like the Heritage and have the money, buy it. If you want to wait with the 4R and see what the 250 brings, then wait. Since you don't like some parts of the base version, maybe skip that? I would only add that 84K is a LOT of miles for a '20 model year. Is that price firm?
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I doubt the 250 will have any impact on 200 series pricing. It isn’t designed as a 200 series successor, they expect the Lexus to do that job.
I agree with you with, but most consumers are NOT very well informed. They will see the “Land Cruiser” badge and not even think any further. They will assume it’s just the continuation of the Land Cruiser.
I can see prices falling at least a little bit.
When I purchased my 200 in Nov 2020 I looked at used and new. Both seemed a good way to go given the 200's on the market looked well taken care off. What you may expect from car and Toyota enthusiasts buying the 200.
Then I noticed depreciation is close to lineair as I devided the asking price by 350000 miles (my expectation of miles I would be wanting to put on one) minus actual mileage. Therefore what the purchase cost per remaining mile looked like. It was all very similar. At least for 200's anywhere between 2020 and 2014 model years. Therefore I decided that having enough cash savings I would rather buy new as long as the price was reasonable, so I know it is good, do the maintenance right and own it for 25 year +. So I got mine new for $81.5k, about 6k off MRSP. The 2021 base model (non HE), Blizzard Pearl, rubber floor mats, some protection film. This was before second year COVID madness and maybe some car shortages.
All in all my expectation is that the LC200 will stay in demand and that the linear reduction in price vs milage will stay similar as before. Now low mileage for age will probably stand out. Also that we are not getting the 200 replacement which is the 300 will likely help maintain 80, 100 and 200 prices. I definitely think the 250 series will not effect it negatively, as it is so different and will attract mostly a different group of buyers who do not need all the capability, do not care for reliability and like the new widgets and probably the looks.
Still upsets me Toyota US thinks they can just badge a 250 series as a Land Cruiser instead of a Land Cruiser Prado and make the crowd feel as if the Land Cruiser has returned to the US. Really...they think we are that ignorant/stupid. I guess the new 4 runner will be the next generation RAV4 in the rest of the world. And in the US they will claim the next generation legendary 4runner has arrived...
Then I noticed depreciation is close to lineair as I devided the asking price by 350000 miles (my expectation of miles I would be wanting to put on one) minus actual mileage. Therefore what the purchase cost per remaining mile looked like. It was all very similar. At least for 200's anywhere between 2020 and 2014 model years. Therefore I decided that having enough cash savings I would rather buy new as long as the price was reasonable, so I know it is good, do the maintenance right and own it for 25 year +. So I got mine new for $81.5k, about 6k off MRSP. The 2021 base model (non HE), Blizzard Pearl, rubber floor mats, some protection film. This was before second year COVID madness and maybe some car shortages.
All in all my expectation is that the LC200 will stay in demand and that the linear reduction in price vs milage will stay similar as before. Now low mileage for age will probably stand out. Also that we are not getting the 200 replacement which is the 300 will likely help maintain 80, 100 and 200 prices. I definitely think the 250 series will not effect it negatively, as it is so different and will attract mostly a different group of buyers who do not need all the capability, do not care for reliability and like the new widgets and probably the looks.
Still upsets me Toyota US thinks they can just badge a 250 series as a Land Cruiser instead of a Land Cruiser Prado and make the crowd feel as if the Land Cruiser has returned to the US. Really...they think we are that ignorant/stupid. I guess the new 4 runner will be the next generation RAV4 in the rest of the world. And in the US they will claim the next generation legendary 4runner has arrived...
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Trukk
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The last of the V8 Interceptors. Long live the 200.
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Got my 2021 HE w/3rd row 50k miles for 85k. Keep shopping for a Lower mileage HE. They’re out there.
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The rav4/4runner comment is so true though.When I purchased my 200 in Nov 2020 I looked at used and new. Both seemed a good way to go given the 200's on the market looked well taken care off. What you may expect from car and Toyota enthusiasts buying the 200.
Then I noticed depreciation is close to lineair as I devided the asking price by 350000 miles (my expectation of miles I would be wanted to put on one) minus actual mileage. Therefore what the purchase cost per remaining mile looked like and it was all very similar. At least for 200's anywhere between 2020 and 2014 model years. Therefore I decided that having enough cash savings I would rather buy new as long as the price was reasonable, so I know it is good, do the maintenance right and own it for 25 year +. So I got mine new for $81.5k, about 6k off MRSP. The 2021 base model (non HE), Blizzard Pearl, rubber floor mats, some protection film. This was before second year COVID madness and maybe some car shortages.
All in all my expectation is that the LC200 will stay in demand and that the lineair reduction in price vs milage will stay similar as before. Now low mileage for age will probably stand out. Also that we are not getting the 200 replacement which is the 300 will likely help maintain 80, 100 and 200 prices. I definitely think the 250 series will not effect it negatively, as it is so different and will attract mostly a different group of buyers who do not need all the capability, do not care for reliability and like the new widgets and probably the looks.
Still upsets me Toyota US thinks they can just badge a 250 series as a Land Cruiser instead of a Land Cruiser Prado and make the crowd feel as if the Land Cruiser has returned to the US. Really...they think we are that ignorant/stupid. I guess the new 4 runner will be the next generation RAV4 in the rest of the world. And in the US they will claim the next generation legendary 4runner has arrived...
It will get some TRD floormats, badges and fruity colors and the bros will flock to it like flies on s***. Toyota already figured that out...The rav4/4runner comment is so true though.
There is no way in hl I'm getting out of a '21 LX with the V8 into a smaller, newer LC with an unproven hybrid twin turbo 4 in it. I think a majority of other LX owners feel the same
Yeah no brainer to keep the 200, LC or LX.
Why would I go down one class in vehicle if what I have can at least lasts another 20 years and I like it?
Like switching from a 4Runner to a RAV4. Who would do that unless money suddenly runs out and then a Corolla or Civic would make more sense.
I think the only impact will be to maintain insane used car price on the 200 and all other vehicles.
Toyota/Lexus will not make anywhere close to enough of these. They are still crying "supply chain" and have huge waits for all their vehicles. Dealers love it cause they can gouge consumers.
Both the Lexus and Toyota versions will sell for 20-30K over MSRP, people wait months/years for them (like the new LX600) and they will end up on BAT as soon as they are sold with another 10-20K added on.
Toyota can't make enough Siennas FFS how the hell are they ever gonna pump out enough LC/GXs LOL
Toyota/Lexus will not make anywhere close to enough of these. They are still crying "supply chain" and have huge waits for all their vehicles. Dealers love it cause they can gouge consumers.
Both the Lexus and Toyota versions will sell for 20-30K over MSRP, people wait months/years for them (like the new LX600) and they will end up on BAT as soon as they are sold with another 10-20K added on.
Toyota can't make enough Siennas FFS how the hell are they ever gonna pump out enough LC/GXs LOL
