Cruise Moab 2007

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actually, we have a hard time committing to anything right now given the move........

right now things don't look too bad, but we are not out of here, yet :frown: :rolleyes: ;p
 
You guys are evil :D.


I appreciate all the good advice. I remember some conversations I had with several of you on the C-Gap run about lockers vs. momentum and resultant risks of damage from momentum. I agree completely.


I will add a rear locker of some kind for Cruise Moab. I have emailed Kurt to see what kind of damage I would be looking at with an ARB. Maybe another group buy is in order? I think I will ask for forgiveness rather than permission from the CEO :grinpimp:.


I will add Golden Spike to my trail list. What day should we run it?

Here is my list so far:

Porcupine Rim: family run
Golden Spike: wheeling with friends
Fins & Things: meet other cruiserheads.
Hell's Revenge: optional trail?

As to bobbing the front bumper, as you pointed out Kevin I'm doing a pretty good job of that with Alvin :D. I found some temporary bolts in the garage, so the Frankenstein bumper should make an appearance soon. I should probably change out the hex head bolts for carriage, but the hex heads are sooooo :hillbilly:
:D

Thanks for the advice guys.
 
I will get with Rob this weekend on trail selection, one that will probably be on the list is Elephant Hill. I hear it's a moderately difficult trail with great views, it's in Canyonlands National Park, so about 1.5 hour highway drive to the trail head making for a long ~175 miles day.

A few pix from CM06

http://www.rustybrain.com/cruisers/2006/EHill/
 
I've run Elephant Hill once, back in '03. The sorta difficult part's right at the trailhead, with the climb up and down E-Hill. The National Park Service had poured some concrete to prevent washouts. The far side is narrow, and it's recommended to back down one of the switchback segments for lack of space to turn. Most of the trail is a sandy road, where you might encounter hikers. A rocky segment is called Silver Stairs, and there's a squeeze which looks tight but a K5 fit through just fine. The scenery is great, also on the drive to get there (you'll pass by Newspaper Rock, a huge collection of petroglyphs). At the end of the trail is a short hike that'll bring you to an overlook where you can see the confluence of the Colorado and the Green river - a must for anyone who's read Maj. Powell's book...
 
Ross,
I know you probably don't want/need a recommendatin from me, but I'd put the locker ahead of the sliders and bumper as well. It will make such a big improvement in your vehicle's capabilities that you'll be very pleasantly surprised.

If I were you, I'd go ARB. I've run lunchbox lockers, full detroits, welded rear ends, a full spool and many ARBs. As long as they are installed properly, the ARB is damn hard to beat....especially if you drive in icy conditions at all. Only downside is cost and complexity. You can lower the overall complexity if you're willing to spend a little more and put an air switch in instead of the electric one that comes with the ARB. I put one in my buggy (first one I've run) and I love it so far. Like I said the downside is cost....you're probably looking at about $1K by the time you pay someone to reset your R&P, buy the compressor and unit...so it's 4-5 times the price of an Aussie (assuming you install the Aussie yourself). To me, it's worth it especially in the front end.

2 cents,
Sean
 
As far as sheetmetal protection goes: I know this sounds patronizing, but it's advantageous to put protection on the vehicle BEFORE it's dented. I've done this with the sliders on my K5, and I should have done it this way with the rear bumper as well, but I didn't :doh: :confused:. Given that a bunch of the Moab trails have ledges, I'd go for sliders to protect rockers and doors.

If you can spring the $$, go ARB. Both the K5 and the FJ40 have ARBs front and back, and we've had good luck with them. If $$ are an issue, I'd second Kevin's suggestion: get the Aussie now, and maybe sell it later (when you get ARBs front and rear :grinpimp:).
 
ChaseTruck said:
As far as sheetmetal protection goes: I know this sounds patronizing, but it's advantageous to put protection on the vehicle BEFORE it's dented. I've done this with the sliders on my K5, and I should have done it this way with the rear bumper as well, but I didn't :doh: :confused:. Given that a bunch of the Moab trails have ledges, I'd go for sliders to protect rockers and doors.

If you can spring the $$, go ARB. Both the K5 and the FJ40 have ARBs front and back, and we've had good luck with them. If $$ are an issue, I'd second Kevin's suggestion: get the Aussie now, and maybe sell it later (when you get ARBs front and rear :grinpimp:).
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You know another option would be Aussie and sliders (if you're looking at spending the $$$ on the ARB....might be close to equal).

Just a thought.

Sean
 
I will not be able to go this year since my daughter will be born at the end of the month...small price to pay,,,,,can't wait till CM08
 
Locker drama solved. A day with Alvin with him pointing a nail gun at you helps you see reason. :D

Sean's comment on an Aussie and sliders got me to thinking. That and the $450 install charge for ARBs. :eek:

I'll sell/donate the Aussie when I go ARB.

Here is my list:

Porcupine Rim w/ the family.
Golden Spike with you guys.

These are the only ones I really want to do. The other trail will be gravy. :grinpimp:
Fins & Things
Hell's Revenge
Elephant Hill
 
What day do we want to do a CSC day? Golden Spike or Elephant Hill are not run on Friday due to the banquet. Talked to Rob and he can't register till he confirms the time off of work, should know this week. We are talking about Elephant Hill, Golden Spike and maybe Metal Masher? Would like to do Porcupine Rim when it not pouring down rain!:D There are a few trails on our list that arn't offered at Cruise Moab.
 
Although my wife may fall to the ground laughing,

I am as flexible as a willow. :D

If I ruled the universe I would run Hell's Revenge/Elephant Hill/Fins&Things on Thursday, Porcupine Hill on Friday and Golden Spike on Saturday. The only reason for that order is so I can get used to the conditions. However, I don't rule the universe and my order of trails is based more on whim and ignorance than any real 'need'.

In reality the only thing I need (Mama directive) is to run one 'family friendly' trail. I'll have fun running anything on any schedule. Porcupine Hill is solely for the scenery/family friendly nature so my wife can come on one run. We are planning on renting a car when we get to Moab on Wed for her to do her own stuff on the other days.
 
On a good-weather day, Hell's is hard to beat for scenery. LaSal mountains on one side, overlook to the Colorado at the far spot of the trail, views of Arches NP, and the sandstone 'roller coaster'...but I'm sure you know all about the geology there :cool: .

Hell's is not very difficult, it's more of a case of NOT getting nervous. Traction is great, and as long as you stay out of the optional obstacles, you'll do fine - just stay on the trail markers. As for family-friendly: I'm not quite sure what that means - Hannah did great on the Unsurvivable Obstacle on the C-Gap run... Fins is Hell's-Lite, sort-of, same mountain panorama, but not the river. Both trails are close to town. Fins has the advantage that you can cut out and get back to the main road easily if need be; can't do that on Hell's. Porcupine is driving along the cliff, can't let the kids out ot the truck and let them out of eyesight. Hell's isn't that bad in that regard; neither is Fins.

I'd make sure your wife would rent a Jeep in Moab, so she can drive herself on the runs, just in case she doesn't trust you...;p That aside, a very enjoyable drive - entirely on blacktop - is the ride up Hwy 313 to Canyonlands NP, out to the main overlook, or the drive in Arches NP.

I'm not trying to talk you into any particular trail - heck, my first trail in Moab was Gemini Bridges... but Hell's Revenge is - in my opinion - a must-see-must-do, and that's why we took Kevin and Rob there last year.
 
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I don't know how your defining 'family friendly' but, Porcupine Rim is 28 miles off highway! They are all pretty much family friendly, great views, etc. But 28 miles may be a bit much for the little ones? Judging from her reaction on the gap, I would say that Hannah will have a blast on Spike or Hells, or any of them!
 
Great info guys!

I guess I should have been more specific on 'family friendly'. On the family run day I will have the wife, Hannah, Grace and Rachel who will be 6 months old by Moab. Mostly the trail needs to be a reasonable day, no marathons (shorter would be better). Since this would be the only trail that my wife would be coming on, I would like it to be one with great vistas and not enclosed in a canyon.

I guess I goofed on my homework on the Porcupine, 28 miles long. :doh: Plus nothing like alot of Cliffs to get a parents heart rate up. Thanks for the heads up. It looks like Fins may be a good family fun.

I will put Golden Spike and Hell's Revenge up for my first choices. Thanks again for the input.

Ross

ChaseTruck said:
On a good-weather day, Hell's is hard to beat for scenery. LaSal mountains on one side, overlook to the Colorado at the far spot of the trail, views of Arches NP, and the sandstone 'roller coaster'...but I'm sure you know all about the geology there :cool: .

Hell's is not very difficult, it's more of a case of NOT getting nervous. Traction is great, and as long as you stay out of the optional obstacles, you'll do fine - just stay on the trail markers. As for family-friendly: I'm not quite sure what that means - Hannah did great on the Unsurvivable Obstacle on the C-Gap run... Fins is Hell's-Lite, sort-of, same mountain panorama, but not the river. Both trails are close to town. Fins has the advantage that you can cut out and get back to the main road easily if need be; can't do that on Hell's. Porcupine is driving along the cliff, can't let the kids out ot the truck and let them out of eyesight. Hell's isn't that bad in that regard; neither is Fins.

I'd make sure your wife would rent a Jeep in Moab, so she can drive herself on the runs, just in case she doesn't trust you...;p That aside, a very enjoyable drive - entirely on blacktop is the ride up Hwy 313 to Canyonlands NP, out to the main overlook, or the drive in Arches NP.

I'm noy trying to talk you into any particular trail - heck, my first trail in Moab was Gemini Bridges... but Hell's Revenge is - in my opinion - a must-see-must-do, and that's why we took Kevin and Rob there last year.
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Tools R Us said:
I don't know how your defining 'family friendly' but, Porcupine Rim is 28 miles off highway! They are all pretty much family friendly, great views, etc. But 28 miles may be a bit much for the little ones? Judging from her reaction on the gap, I would say that Hannah will have a blast on Spike or Hells, or any of them!
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Ross,I only pointed the nail gun at you when it was loaded...2 or 4 times:hillbilly:

I guess I should get off my arse and decide if I'm going and what trails to run. I'd like to run with some of you so if theres a game plan on run schedules, let me know.
 
Here are my trail selections. Aussie in the rear will be there and I am 90% sure on sliders (MetalTech or Dave Gore).

Day1:
Fins&Things
Golden Spike
Elephant Hill

Day 2:
Hell's Revenge
Fins&Things
Gold Bar Rim

Day 3:
Golden Spike
Elephant Hill
Hell's Revenge

In the comments I ask to run Golden Spike w/ my bruthurs :hillbilly:

If you guys have a different preference on the day to run Golden Spike (Thursday or Saturday) let me know. I am flexible. I need to talk to Alvin tonight on the phone, I think he is going to come. :bounce: I'll be registering tonight.

Ross
 
I'm in, registering tonite. I'll make comments that I want to run Spike with other CSC folks. and I plan on hittin Hells Revenge and maybe Behind the rocks or Fins or Moab rim. :bounce2:
 
MaddBaggins said:
...and maybe Behind the rocks ...
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Alvin, you might want to take a very close look at the White Knuckle Hill obstacle on that trail (either up or down; I think it's usually run DOWN at CM, but that loop of the trail can be left out altogether; we always went UP). It depends how much it is stacked up at the bottom of the hole. Last time I was there, there wasn't a bypass (there might be one now...), and there were no rocks in the bottom of the hole, which meant it was a buggy-on-40s-only climb. Going down, it is one of these things with very little room for error.

P.S. Disclaimer: I have a 'strained' relationship with that trail, so my views are a bit skewed...
 
And where was that info 1/2 hour ago Michael!? White Knuckle Hill will be a descent on the run if that makes any difference and it wasn't my 1rst choice for any day.

I'm registered with the following choices

Thursday
1)Kane Creek
2)Golden Spike
3)Moab Rim

Friday
1)Hells Revenge
2)Behind the Rocks
3)Fins & Things

Saturday
1)Golden Spike
2)Behind the Rocks
3)Moab Rim

We'll be camping out at Slickrock more than likely.
 
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