Column or floor shift from factory?

[35inchoverdrive]

How can you tell if a 40 came with the 3 on the tree from the factory? I've had a 12/70 for 7 years, and it had a 3 on the floor. I think that's pretty close to the transition from the column to the floor, and I was just wondering how I could tell if it was a conversion or not.

 

[Coolerman]

MY 2/71 had factory 3 on the tree.

 

[brian]

'70 would have been 3 on the tree.

floor conversion kits were one of the most popular items back in the day.

 

[IDave]

Floorshift was an option, but standard was 3/tree at that point.

 

[35inchoverdrive]

So is there no way to tell if it was factory or if it was a conversion?

 

[IDave]

Is the hole in the tranny hump a factory pretty hole, or does it look like the rough-cut homie job my FJ45 came with?

 

[shelfboy1]

i beleive 73 was first year for 3 on floor from factory 2 72s i scrapped had 3 on tree and my 73 that i bought new in jan of 73 had 3 on the floor good luck

 

[Living in the Past]

Is the hole in the tranny hump a factory pretty hole, or does it look like the rough-cut homie job my FJ45 came with?

This is the best way to tell. I've got a tranny hump that is for the pre 73s and the hole for the transfer case has fixed nuts for the ring for the boot. These were an option on the 40s from the start, SOR has the floor shift kit for the early three speed listed (pre mid 1963) for $400 Most of the factory installed floor shift I've seen were for the 1972 model, the year before they became standard.

John

 

[35inchoverdrive]

This is the best way to tell. I've got a tranny hump that is for the pre 73s and the hole for the transfer case has fixed nuts for the ring for the boot. These were an option on the 40s from the start, SOR has the floor shift kit for the early three speed listed (pre mid 1963) for $400 Most of the factory installed floor shift I've seen were for the 1972 model, the year before they became standard.

John

Well, if someone other than Toyota did cut a hole in my tranny hump, they at least used a holesaw. Unless I'm mistaken, that rules out 90% of the usual PO hack jobs. My boot was held down by screws rather than fixed nuts, so now I'm leaning towards thinking that it was just a clean conversion.

 

[Gundy]

My 3/72 came with 3 on the floor from the factory.

 

[35inchoverdrive]

My 3/72 came with 3 on the floor from the factory.

My 1/72 also was on the floor from the factory. I would just track down the original owner of my 12/70 and ask him if it was a factory floor or column shift, but during several repairs I vowed to kill him if we ever met.

 

[shelfboy1]

factory floor shift came with 4x4 on the floor also if its a 3 on the floor with vacum 4x4 or dash 4x4 its probably added but stranger things have happened like the 2 other guys here with 72 3 on the floor ive had at least 3 72s with colum shift and dash 4x4 unless they were holdovers good luck

 

[Ratt]

If it was originally a column shift there should be a spot on the top of the steering mount where the shaft pivoted on the very top of it, about a .5 in hole. There should also be some extra space above the column where the shaft went through the firewall, about 1.5 inches of space above the column.

 

[35inchoverdrive]

If it was originally a column shift there should be a spot on the top of the steering mount where the shaft pivoted on the very top of it, about a .5 in hole. There should also be some extra space above the column where the shaft went through the firewall, about 1.5 inches of space above the column.

That's what I thought for quite awhile, but my '72 was a one-family Cruiser(before I got it) and it was a factory floor shift. However, it does have that little tab on top of the column(as does my '71).

 

[35inchoverdrive]

factory floor shift came with 4x4 on the floor also if its a 3 on the floor with vacum 4x4 or dash 4x4 its probably added but stranger things have happened like the 2 other guys here with 72 3 on the floor ive had at least 3 72s with colum shift and dash 4x4 unless they were holdovers good luck

I do have the vaccuum-actuated front output, as well as the H/L lever under the dash on my 12/70. Did Toyota not produce any vaccuum and floor shift Cruisers?(I'm sensing the end to my quest...)

 

[MudHunter]

My 3/72 has 3 on the floor. I am fairly new to 40's so dont flog me if this is a dumb question.

Did Toyota have option codes at this time that stayed with the truck in the form of a sticker or plate that could tell this information quickly? Seems it should be easy information to soruce?

 

[rgentry]

Where is your backup switch located? Is there a place under the firewall for the backup switch (just below the clutch master cylinder)? The wiring harness will be different for a floor shift and column shift cruiser. You can do a real clean floor shift retrofit but I doubt most folks can re-do the wiring harness without it being detectable.

 

[Living in the Past]

Where is your backup switch located? Is there a place under the firewall for the backup switch (just below the clutch master cylinder)?

The backup switch on the column shifter was located on the bottom of the steering column just above the steering box in the engine bay. A bracket held it in place so when the shifter was in reverse the switch would be pushed in.

John

 

[Coolerman]

Where is your backup switch located? Is there a place under the firewall for the backup switch (just below the clutch master cylinder)? The wiring harness will be different for a floor shift and column shift cruiser. You can do a real clean floor shift retrofit but I doubt most folks can re-do the wiring harness without it being detectable.

Re-doing the wiring is super simple. All you have to do is make an extension harness that plugs into the existing two red wires on the firewall down to the switch on top of the tranny. See Pic.

 

[rgentry]

Yup, looks like the right way to do it.

My point earlier was that it should be easy to determine if your LC was originally a column shift given the wiring harness and the location of the back-up switch.