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There is a good bit of information in the 45 section about doing this. I thought it would be a good time to bring it into the 55 section.

Most of us have rust issues. Some of these issues are in areas that are not easy to get behind. Rockers and A/B/C/D pillars being the major culprit.

1. What are some good economical solutions for preventing these rust issues in the future on areas that have no rust but are prone to them?

2. What steps and products could be used in treating areas that currently have rust and preventing it from coming back?

3. What are some economical tools that can be used to apply these products discussed above?
 
I found this information while looking for rust preventaives. A few websites talked about using Sems products especial if you have rust as it was easy to spray.

"RUST & CORROSION PROTECTION
What is the difference between Rust Shield, Rust Mort and Rust Seal?
- The main difference between Rust Mort and Rust Seal is that Rust
Mort must be top coated and Rust Seal may be left exposed. Both will
neutralize and convert the rust to a permanent protective coating. Rust
Shield is a rust and corrosion control coating available in 14 different
colors that can be intermixed. Rust Shield may be brushed, rolled, or
sprayed. 38008 Hardener and Gloss Enhancer may be added to
Rust Shield to increase the durability and add gloss.


I painted the frame of my vehicle with Rust Shield and now I want to top coat it. How long do I need to wait?
- While we don’t recommend this practice, as long as Rust Shield has fully
cured (3-7 days), it can be sanded and top coated. If the hardener has
been added to the Rust Shield, it cures quicker and may be sanded and
top coated when it is dry to the touch. Again, we discourage sanding and
top coating Rust Shield as it is a finish coat and not a primer. If you have
already applied the Rust Shield and intend on painting over, it must be
fully cured and it isn’t recommended.
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I also heard about a product called Corroless. Eastwood sells it.
 
"Cavity Wax Injection 911/912

Introduction and Principle.
When applying cavity wax it needs to be kept in mind that the car’s metal needs protecting in the following areas:

Anywhere that has been welded. ‘Weld Thru’ primers burn off directly around each weld pool, and despite claims to the contrary ‘E’ Coat type finishes do not completely penetrate welded seams. Both scenarios leave the metal bare, and in the case of welded joints, often acidic compounds are formed during the welding.

Any area that is known to rust on your particular model of car: even if your example has not yet rusted there. These include ‘mystery’ rust areas that are often as a result of the internal structure trapping condensation causing rust that is hard to explain just looking at the problem externally.

All lower cavities however difficult to reach.

Equipment, Materials and Method.
Whilst cavity wax is available in aerosol form, these are best regarded as a ‘back up’ to the main waxing process. These tend to have very good penetration, however, so are excellent in areas that the main wax cannot reach.

The main waxing ideally should be carried out with a compressor and air fed gun. These can come as an accessory for a ‘Shultz’ type gun. These are cheap enough, but the lance provided tends to be rather large (8-10mm diameter) and not very long (450-600mm). However they do enable a good coverage of the car’s internals if they can be reached, as the wax can be injected at very high pressure, and so can be flung some distance. These require at least one ‘Shultz’ type canister, ideally of wax, or at a push a cleaned out underseal canister to load the wax into.

The absolute ideal is a dedicated cavity wax gun. These come with a variety of flexible and solid lances of various lengths, some of the flexible lances reaching several feet. Perfect for the job, although require filling often.

There are a number of cavity waxes sold; Waxoyl and Dinitrol are probably the best known in the U.K. although Wurth and many car paint factors will have other brands. These have not been tested, but it is probably safe to say that any brand of wax is far better than no wax at all. Waxoyl at least is available in 5L cans, and the 911/912 will use at least this, with 10L being possible, perhaps with a small reserve left over.

Both of the air-fed methods are more successful if the wax is well pre-heated. I use a single ring electric cooking hob (£14) left on it’s lowest setting (you can almost hold your hand on this hob at this setting). The lid of the wax drum is left off, and the can sat on the ‘warm’ plate. A health and safety friendly alternative is to stand the wax in very, very hot water. The water will need to be changed often though, as ideally the wax needs to have melted to an engine oil-like consistency. It’s worth shaking the can regularly to assist the warming process (lid on!).

Finally, when using high pressure injection, the wax produces a lot of vapour: it is essential to use a good quality breathing protection whilst using the wax. When the process is finished, the mask will be found to have a thin sticky layer of wax over it: much better than rust-free lungs. It may also be worth covering the external paint/glass of the car for the same reason. Whilst the wax may protect the paint, it is a little tedious to remove, and it encourages small particles to stick, risking scratching upon removal.

If the car is in use, it may be beneficial to have the underside steam cleaned, or at least pressure washed before starting work, especially should underside treatment be desired. It is also important to make sure the car is well dried before starting. This means the ideal time for this work is during the summer, but in the real world try to garage the car for a while before treatment, ideally with a de-humidifier running.

Areas for Waxing: 911/912:
This list is not exhaustive: it was arrived at by past experience of waxing, coupled with areas that have required rust repairs on a number of cars. Many of the points will require holes to be drilled, and then plugged with grommets after treatment. Remember to paint the raw edges of fresh holes. They are best drilled with a stepped drill or dedicated sheet metal drill. A conventionally ground twist drill tends to snatch, distorting the metal and leaving a less than round hole
"
 
You summed it pretty good, a rust paint of some sort followed by a wax oil spray to creep into nooks and crannys seal the sandwiched panels from any further moisture.
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Re apply oil wax mixture every two years or so.
 
But what is a good gun to use that will be able to spray both kinds and is economical?

And what are some good products to use?
 
But what is a good gun to use that will be able to spray both kinds and is economical?

And what are some good products to use?

Hi Marshall, we have been discussing this quite a bit in my thread. I ended with the decision to use Wurth Cavity Wax upon completion of the project. see link below for discussion. Starts around post #481. I will be using Zero Rust and Weld Thru primer during construction.

https://forum.ih8mud.com/fj45-owners-club/100170-1966-fj45lv-restoration-buildup-project-17.html
 
As I posted in Mark's thread, I bought the Wurth product, it arrived yesterday. Eastwood sells a gun with a wand and then there's this expensive gun that has multi tips that can adjust the spray. My feeling is anything like POR's, 3M Rustfighter, Wax etc is better then doing nothing.
One question is should i shoot some rust killing product in first? Don't most of these products require a rinse after application? Picture's are of the expensive gun, which comes with three tips.http://www.chemicar.com/spraygun_under.php

Lou
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toilet brush and por 15

spray gun and por 15

rag on a stick and por15

There is not one tool for this job, to get the paint into these areas is tricky.

I do know of a tool for spraying the oil wax, it has many little holes on a wond that sprays in a circular motion and you can attach lengths of flexiable tube to fish it into tight areas.

Think Lordco here in Canda sells it under Pro Form tools.

Edit, did not see Lous post, that is the tool for the wax and some rust paint products do not need top coating or flushing.
 
Eastwood Co. - Heavy Duty Anti Rust Aerosol Black

this is what I have been using on my piggy, it works great, it dries to a thick waxy film, I popped a bunch of holes in the bottom of the rocker and plan to use plugs so I can once a year get in there and coat with this stuff, a trick I found out that worked was to spray it in the rockers and then use some compressed air to move it around everywhere.

I even used a few cans on my new rod iron fencing where the sprinklers hit, worked great!

Noah
 
Piller and Cavity Protection

I wanted to bump this back to the top, my plan this Sunday is to start on my rear cargo area and the A & B piller cavity protection. I picked up the Wurth Gun on Ebay for $100 brand new and have collected a variety of products. Rust Doctor, rust converter and leaves a latex surface to coat. 3m Rust Fighter and Wurth Cavity Wax.
My plan is to knock the surface rust off in the cargo area and use a simple pump sprayer to shoot the Rust Doctor in the pillers and up around the cargo windows and the lower portions and let this set up and dry and then shoot either the 3m Porduct or the Wurth Cavity Wax
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Waxoyl... Land Rover guys have used it for years. Google it, there is a homemade recipe out there. you can also spray it inside boxed frame areas...it works...
 
Should I drill holes

Here's the issue I have surface rust in the rear cargo area just below the cargo windows and in the lower corners. I have everything I need to kill it, resurface and shoot cavity wax, the problem is prepping and cleaning the area so my thought is to drill two holes just behind the rear wheels . Drilling from the underside up into the cargo area so i can clean the cargo area and have the water drain out. Once dry put plugs in and shoot the cavity wax.
Or do i just clean what I can with the vac and rags and just shoot cavity wax over the dirt?

This is a stupid question, drill, clean and cavity wax:doh:

Thoughts or suggestions?

Lou
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Are you saying to drill the holes so the water can run out after you clean it with water? I am not so sure I would worry about the water running out bc it will get out. But I would prep the area as best I could bc the better you prep it the longer the work will keep the rust away. Can you sand blast the area? I know it is messy, but that is what gets into the cracks the best. What about a light acid type of cleaner like navel jelly or the like?
 
Are you saying to drill the holes so the water can run out after you clean it with water? I am not so sure I would worry about the water running out bc it will get out. But I would prep the area as best I could bc the better you prep it the longer the work will keep the rust away. Can you sand blast the area? I know it is messy, but that is what gets into the cracks the best. What about a light acid type of cleaner like navel jelly or the like?

Yes so water cleaning agent(degreaser) and dirt can run out. Sand blasting is not an option right now. The plan is to do a frame off down the road once the market comes back so I really just want to stave off really rust rot. I know 1973 Guppie (Noah) has used this method in his rockers so I may just go forward and drill. But I'll test pour some water and see how long it takes to get out.
Your off to Germany soon for surgery and it looks like you have some cool plans before you go under the knife. Good luck to you I hope your pain free soon so you can get back to your LV. Think V8,its a kick ass application, my trucks a real sleeper.

Lou

Lou
 
Yes so water cleaning agent(degreaser) and dirt can run out. Sand blasting is not an option right now. The plan is to do a frame off down the road once the market comes back so I really just want to stave off really rust rot. I know 1973 Guppie (Noah) has used this method in his rockers so I may just go forward and drill. But I'll test pour some water and see how long it takes to get out.
Your off to Germany soon for surgery and it looks like you have some cool plans before you go under the knife. Good luck to you I hope your pain free soon so you can get back to your LV. Think V8,its a kick ass application, my trucks a real sleeper.

Lou

Lou

Yes I am excited about my upcoming trip. Believe it our not, I have been home all this week nursing Inguinal Hernia surgery. Yea, sucks. It just showed up about 30 days ago and I did not want to complicate the work the German docs have to do so I thought it would be better to deal with it here in the US. I have been thinking a lot about a V8. I really do not think I will be happy using my stock motor, which is completely rebuilt, but I am also not too excited about the cash it will cost to go to the V8 option. Maybe I could do the V8 later? But I also want to do a custom 4 door 40 or 45. Something like this.

edit. I added the pic since you added the Land Rover. I have seen those Rovers and the company that does those does really nice work. High dollars restos only.
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Lou, I have the same dillema as you. What I have done has popped some 1/2 inch holes all around the underside of the piggy. I think I have 4 on each side of the rockers and 3 on the vertical and under sides of the rear channel. In the corners, I have the factory drain holes there still. I bought some neat little body plugs from eastwood to pop in the holes when I am done. This way, once a year, I can reapply the cavity wax to these areas easily by just popping them out.

The rust for me is similar to yours here, mostly it is surface rust in nature. All of the major rust on the bottom of those corners has been cut out and replaced. While doing this I put a nice coat of zerorust as best as I could inside the rust patches. Now that I have the body back on the frame I plan to go back and deal with the areas for a final time. I am going to: wire brush the areas (to knock up the surface rust), clean with TSP (tri sodium phosphate), phosphoric acid etch (this will kill any rust and blacken it, as well as make it paintable), coat with white zerorust (2 coats), and finally once the zerorust is dried, I plan to lay down a coat of the cavity wax on the very bottom of those corners as well as up top.

Noah
 
So there are drain holes in the rear corners? Drilling is the way to go, thanks Noah.
Mark , dude , you are going through a tuff strecth and yes you can always do a V8 later and the 4 door 40 sound cool. There's a guy I think up north that has done a few 4 door soft top Defender 90's I found a picture it's called a Beach Runner. A FJ40 4 door would be very cool.



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