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1998 LX470, 298K miles, no nav, no rear locker. Has LCD screens in each (4) seat head rest, not tested. Body in good shape. Paint good for age, not great. Front bumper paint reshot very clean. Hood ok, with three small dents 30 rock chips. SS braded brake lines.

ABS light on, brakes work but no ABS. AHC 6 graduations. DS seat bottom trashed, others cracking with holes in back (old speakers holes) of second row. Both rear carpets trash, front not much better. Torn boot. T-belt has 200k on it. Exhaust crossover pipe hole where bracket pulled off. Three small dent in roof. Rust lower tip 1/4 panel hidden by bumper. Spot of rust on DS frame above rear diff, minor. Some rust on A pillars (2x1/2") each side. Leak steering rack, one side. Tires & wheels trashed. Radio not turning off. Auto climate control switch iffy. Console buttons sticky. Lights & lenses very good. Steering telescope not working, title is. One mirror no auto rotate down in reverse. One rear door stop torn out. Very dirty interior. Paint needs DA correcting compound & wax. Needs complete base line of course

Asking price $4K!

What's it good for?
What's it worth?
 
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Not much in my opinion. That's a long list of things you will be worrying about if you bought it. Do yourself a favor and look for a better deal.
 
I'm sure I can find better and own better now. My 01LC which is show room clean and over maintained. I also an 01LX, that just needs hood plus a few associated parts to complete restoration and it will be showroom ready.

I could fix this 1998 LX to be show room ready myself for ~$2,000 if no surprises, but it would still only be worth ~$5K. That includes new seat skins and carpet.

But I'm actually looking at it for the hood, to be used on my 01 restoration project.

So the question is what's this 1998 LX worth say as a parts rig or as a restoration project?
 
I wouldn't pay more than 2500 given that it needs a timing belt and it already has 300k on it and sounds pretty ragged. Plus it's an LX, so no locker, which is the only real reason to go 98-99.
 
For the record: After a year long search for 80's 100's and higher mile 200's. I missed two very low mile one owner 100's by hours so when i found this one I jumped on it.

2002 with 62K miles!!!!!! $17,000 plus flight and 12 hour drive home. Most impulsive purchase I have ever had to make. It worked out great as I gambled that the low miles and condition would limit the body rust issues.

Only minor items found: Minor frame rust which comes off easily with a light buffing. I am slowly and carefully coating the rusty bits but I have found zero body rust after a close inspection. I got lucky!!!

The seats are soft and nearly perfect with very little cracking (Better quality leather than my new LX570)

Came with new LTX michelins and breke pads. i bought to make a soft wheeler but I doubt it will ever see a dusty road. It is way to perfect.
 
I wouldn't pay more than 2500 given that it needs a timing belt and it already has 300k on it and sounds pretty ragged. Plus it's an LX, so no locker, which is the only real reason to go 98-99.
I do whish it had lockers.

Any thoughts on what it could be parted out for?
 
What's it worth?

1998 LX470, 298K miles, no nav, no rear locker. Has LCD screens in each (4) seat head rest, not tested. Body in good shape. Paint good for age, not great. Front bumper paint reshot very clean. Hood ok, with three small dents 30 rock chips. SS braded brake lines.

ABS light on, brakes work but no ABS. AHC 6 graduations. DS seat bottom trashed, others cracking with holes in back (old speakers holes) of second row. Both rear carpets trash, front not much better. Torn boot. T-belt has 200k on it. Exhaust crossover pipe hole where bracket pulled off. Three small dent in roof. Rust lower tip 1/4 panel hidden by bumper. Spot of rust on DS frame above rear diff, minor. Some rust on A pillars (2x1/2") each side. Leak steering rack, one side. Tires & wheels trashed. Radio not turning off. Auto climate control switch iffy. Console buttons sticky. Lights & lenses very good. Steering telescope not working, title is. One mirror no auto rotate down in reverse. One rear door stop torn out. Very dirty interior. Paint needs DA correcting compound & wax. Needs complete base line of course

Asking price $4K!

What's it good?
What's it worth?

What's good? It would be a great vehicle for running over shopping carts and mailboxes.

What's it worth? 1000-1500 or whatever you could get in parts and scrap.

If you can get it for a grand and like to do restoration work you might do okay on a frugal budget finding good used parts.
 
What's good? It would be a great vehicle for running over shopping carts and mailboxes.

What's it worth? 1000-1500 or whatever you could get in parts and scrap.

If you can get it for a grand and like to do restoration work you might do okay on a frugal budget finding good used parts.
Better for running over the Rockies...LOL
On looks alone I should give a little more don't you think?
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1998 LX470, 298K miles, no nav, no rear locker. Has LCD screens in each (4) seat head rest, not tested. Body in good shape. Paint good for age, not great. Front bumper paint reshot very clean. Hood ok, with three small dents 30 rock chips. SS braded brake lines.

ABS light on, brakes work but no ABS. AHC 6 graduations. DS seat bottom trashed, others cracking with holes in back (old speakers holes) of second row. Both rear carpets trash, front not much better. Torn boot. T-belt has 200k on it. Exhaust crossover pipe hole where bracket pulled off. Three small dent in roof. Rust lower tip 1/4 panel hidden by bumper. Spot of rust on DS frame above rear diff, minor. Some rust on A pillars (2x1/2") each side. Leak steering rack, one side. Tires & wheels trashed. Radio not turning off. Auto climate control switch iffy. Console buttons sticky. Lights & lenses very good. Steering telescope not working, title is. One mirror no auto rotate down in reverse. One rear door stop torn out. Very dirty interior. Paint needs DA correcting compound & wax. Needs complete base line of course

I could fix this 1998 LX to be show room ready myself for ~$2,000 if no surprises, but it would still only be worth ~$5K. That includes new seat skins and carpet.

Assuming your time and labor is free, how do you do fix these for 2K? Honest question here because I always want to have a cheap project car, something to tinker over weekend, not my dd. By my estimation the parts itself are: 5 tires + install and balance $1K, suspension (either fixing AHC or new regular suspension) $500-1K, tbelt, wp, hoses, etc $500 . That is 2K right there.

I have not added up the brakes, exhaust, interior/leather, radio, climate control, steering telescope, steering rack, mirror plus whatever unknown you will find when you dig in.
 
Better for running over the Rockies...LOL
On looks alone I should give a little more don't you think?
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I'm with you when you look at it from the outside. Something inside me stirs that it isn't as bad as it seems. Part of it is because I really like the 100 series and emotion get involved. Lets look at it from a numbers stand point.

ABS- 1000 for used abs pump maybe less but being safe.
AHC- 800 for non AHC conversion maybe less you may get by with AHC complete flush.
Rack- 900 on the safe side
A/C - 350 used climate control
INT- 500 for interior refresh used stuff
Engine 1200 for all T-belt parts fluid and plugs filters fluids.
Rust- 300 for rust control or leave it.
Tires 600 used set of something
Exhaust 200 have no clue here.
Mirrors 500 maybe less but safe
Stereo 500 depends on what you want

If all goes as planned around 6500 plus vehicle cost of 2000 puts you at 8500 with a saleable vehicle with 300k with no locker. If the owner would only go 3k that puts you damn close to 10k not to mention a ton of hours involved. It would be a labor of love for sure.
 
Assuming your time and labor is free, how do you do fix these for 2K? Honest question here because I always want to have a cheap project car, something to tinker over weekend, not my dd. By my estimation the parts itself are: 5 tires + install and balance $1K, suspension (either fixing AHC or new regular suspension) $500-1K, tbelt, wp, hoses, etc $500 . That is 2K right there.

I have not added up the brakes, exhaust, interior/leather, radio, climate control, steering telescope, steering rack, mirror plus whatever unknown you will find when you dig in.

Inspecting is key, know what you're buying. Reduce offer for areas of concern. Most important is can the rig be made 100% safe & reliable to drive coast to coast cost effectively. Safe means brakes, wheels/tires, suspension, wheel bearing, ball joints, steering rack & TRE etc.. Or is it a parts rig, this is what one must determine.

The work I do would cost tens of thousand to have a great shop like Slee OFF Raod or Robbie in Boulder do, which wouldn't be cost effective for a non gearhead to pay for. That's where the low millage 100 series, newest with great maintenance records come in. But I'd stand my finish product next to anyone's.

Tundra Tires w/wheels full set $160 to $300 off CL, lots of choice. I buy Toyota Parts mostly from Dealer, they give me wholesale (20% off list). I've not done seat skins yet, but new can be had for $300 per row. I do clean & condition with Leatherique which is pricy, but good stuff which I like more each time I use on interior. Used parts are hard to find at least some of the body parts. I don't have a paint booth, so body is one area I must be careful with buying any damage bodies or bad paint. I replace only parts that are no longer serviceable, not whole components. Example is tensioner pulley $60+ from Dealer, NAPA/others parts stores have bearing for $10 to $15, which I've found last longer than OEM. OEM T-Belt w/pulleys can be done for $150 in parts, water pump and seals would be extra. Hoses don't need to be changed, except PCV's hoses and some vacuum lines. The factories installed coolants rubber hoses are the best you'll find. Swollen hoses mean overheating so avoid if engine is a concern or price according. Starter is $60 if you replace intake gasket, otherwise $30 for plunger, contact & seals. Heater Tee's $30 with clamp. Fluids (oil, lube grease ATF & coolant) get expensive as I only use M1 & Toyota red. Wheel bearing are usually good and have been replaced in most case. Most wheel bearings just need to be set up properly, and a few new seals/parts $60 ea. Hub flange and snap ring $52 ea, if needed. Axle $125 for OEM rebuilt by CVJ. Brakes rotor caliper & pads $150 ea if needed. OEM spider joint (U-joints) and machine shop pressing $100 ea, as needed. I've seen good stereo head unit on CL for $100. Steering rack usually just need ploy bushing. Steering Racks if needed can be rebuilt or rebuilt OEM purchased.

Cleaning & inspecting is key. When done it should be as clean as day it came out of factory. Remember your factory parts are the best you can get, keep what you can.

In the 1998 LX; ABS' light then ACH would be first to fix. I think the exhaust can be fixed for $50 labor for a welder (I don't have). If they (starting with AHC) can't be done relatively cheaply, then I'll stop and this rig will become a parts rig.

First thing I do is take tons of picture, especially of wet or oil spots. Then I clean exterior and I mean clean. Picture help give clues to bad seal & issue. Leaks must be stop and components inspected for damage.

I did Graybear (00 LX470) which was bought ($800) for parts, but turned out to be savable with about 60 hours (over two months) of work and for $1,400. $1,400 included trailer for towing, gas (1k miles of test driving), parts, 4 wheels & tires, cleaning, detailing & shop materials. PO's shops gave him estimate of $3k just for brakes. I did for $150, and can say without a doubt: I did better job then shop would or could have. This same shop did lots of work giving me some good parts to work with. But Garybear had bad owner which did not maintain or pay attention to sound, smell, leaks & drivability changes, made it the most unsafe vehicle I've ever seen. I had to redo everything the shop did, it was unbelievable & negligent. These rigs are very safe tanks, most issue come down to a seals or clip, generally something small that needs proper procedure (by the book ) to set up right. But I'd not recommend a none gearhead buy anything not at 95%> mechanically ready to go and never buy rust. I'll not buy a rust belt rig, they're best left for parts. Some minor spot rust is ok, but means flipping for less.

It's been a hobby of mine, started just to see how these rigs with high millage hold up. I was proud when a mechanic bought Graybear from me. He said it was cleanest and best driving he'd found. I had to say you need to be aware of some issue of rust like around windshield and it wasn't my finest work. Some people think I'm dumb for disclosing hidden issues, but, I've spend the last 30 as a stock broker in the most speculative/risky end of the industry, and never had even one complaint. Something very few brokers at my end of industry can say. I believe in DD, full discloser and proper pricing so that both parts feel good after the deal it is done. As a US Army Veteran I also feel pride in our country, and can't stomach those that feel everyone is there pray. That includes those that will sell a product they no is unsafe or junk while saying differently or even just not disclosing known issues. We've to many of the ME generation these days, and only passing it forward will make a change IMHO. That said "buyer beware" inspect inspect inspect,

I found Garybear and now the 98 LX looking for body parts for White lady 01 LX. I overpaid for whitelady a bit, but well below KBB. I say this because of the time I've spent on it and body issue (hood). I also went overboard doing things that were not needed, just for the experience or because I'm such a perfectionist. I felt "Oh no big deal" when I bought Whitelady with what was minor hood work and it looked good anyway, but was wrong. Body issue can be pricy and paint condition matters. I could just flip as is and it is really clean, looks great and drives great, but not showroom ready yet in my book. I pride myself on giving a product that is near 100% or at least I'll disclose any issue I know of.

Someone in a post on previous page, said; asking price (seller sets) is/are based on condition, and should be paid be paid or walkaway if you don't like. I don't agree, most sellers especially LX owners (no offense) just drive until it must go in shop. Sure they start out with pride and take to shop every 5K, to have oil changed/fluids (most) but as it ages they don't even bother to clean anymore. They have no idea what the rig needs, only what some tech tells them. It takes a good eye to know what to look for, and even I will not find it all in two, three, four or five hours of inspecting plus DD online in advance. But something's do give me clues as to what to expect and look for, like lack of grease slunk from lube points.

Now that value has drop on the 100's to point insurance companies are totaling with minor accident damage, we'll see more and more parts come to market.

I stick with 01 & 02, no NAV for the most part as they're a good price range. I also feel from reading mud and my experience, they are the most trouble free, reliable and bullet proof of the 100 series.

Good hunting.
 
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Inspecting is key, know what your buying. Reduce offer for areas of concern. Most important is can the rig be made 100% safe & reliable to drive coast to coast cost effectively. Safe means brakes, wheels/tires, suspension, wheel bearing, ball joints, steering rack & TRE etc.. Or is it a parts rig, this is what one must determine.

The work I do would cost tens of thousand, to have a great shop like Slee OFF Raod or Robbie in Boulder wouldn't be cost effective for a non gearhead to pay for. That's where the low millage 100 series, newest with great maintenance records come in. But I'd stand my finish product next to anyone's.

Tundra Tires w/wheels full set $160 to $300 off CL, lots of choice. I buy Toyota Parts mostly from Dealer, they give me wholesale (20% off list). I've not done seat skins yet, but new can be had for $300 per row. I do clean & condition with Leatherique which is pricy, but good stuff which I like more each time I use on interior. Used parts are hard to find at least some of the body parts. I don't have a paint booth, so body is one area I must be careful with buying any damage bodies or bad paint. I replace only parts that are no longer serviceable, not whole components. Example is tensioner pulley $60+ from Dealer, NAPA/others parts stores have bearing for $10 to $15, which I've found last longer than OEM. OEM T-Belt w/pulleys can be done for $150 in parts, water pump and seals would be extra. Hoses don't need to be changed, except PCV's hoses and some vacuum lines. The factories installed coolants rubber hoses are the best you'll find. Swollen hoses mean overheating so avoid if engine is a concern or price according. Starter is $60 if you replace intake gasket, otherwise $30 for plunger, contact & seals. Heater Tee's $30 with clamp. Fluids (oil, lube grease ATF & coolant) get expensive as I only use M1 & Toyota red. Wheel bearing are usually good and have been replaced in most case. Most wheel bearings just need to be set up properly, and a few new seals/parts $60 ea. Hub flange and snap ring $52 ea, if needed. Axle $125 for OEM rebuilt by CVJ. Brakes rotor caliper & pads $150 ea if needed. Spider joint OEM and machine shop pressing $100 ea, as needed. I've seen good stereo head unit on CL for $100. Steering rack usually just need ploy bushing. Steering Racks if needed can be rebuilt or rebuilt OEM purchased.

Cleaning & inspecting is key. When done it should be as clean as day it came out of factory. Remember your factory parts are the best you can get, keep what you can.

In the 1998 LX; ABS' light then ACH would be first to fix. I think the exhaust can be fixed for $50 labor for a welder (I don't have). If they (starting with AHC) can't be done relatively cheaply, then I'll stop and this rig will become a parts rig.

First thing I do is take 100's of picture, especially of wet or oil spots. Then I clean exterior and I mean clean. Picture help give clues to bad seal & issue. Leaks must be stop and components inspected for damage.

I did Graybear (00 LX470) which was bought ($800) for parts, but turned out to be savable with about 60 hours (over two months) of work and for $1,400. $1,400 included trailer for towing, gas (1k miles of test driving), parts, 4 wheels & tires, cleaning, detailing & shop materials. PO's shops gave him estimate of $3k just for brakes. I did for $150,and can say without a doubt,: I did better job then shop would or could have. This same shop did lots of work giving me some good parts to work with, But Garybear had bad owner which did not maintain or pay attention to sound, smell, leaks & drivability changes, made it the most unsafe vehicle I've ever seen. I had to redo everything the shop did, it was unbelievable & negligent. These rigs are very safe tanks, most issue come down to a seals or clip, something small and proper procedure (by the book ) to set right. But I'd not recommend a none gearhead buy anything not at 95%> mechanically and never buy rust. I'll not buy a rust belt rig, there best for parts. Some minor spot rust is ok, but means flipping for less.

It's been a hobby of mine, started just to see how these rigs with high millage hold up. I was proud when a mechanic bought Graybear from me. He said it was cleanest and best driving he'd found. I had to say you need to be aware of some issue of rust like around windshield. Some people think I'm dumb for disclosing hidden issues, but, I've spend the last 30 as a stock broker in the most speculative/risky end of the industry, and never had even one complaint. Something very few brokers at my end of industry can say. I believe in DD, full discloser and proper pricing so that both parts feel good after deal after it is done. As a US Army Veteran I also feel pride in our country, and can't stomach those that feel everyone is there pray. That includes those that will sell a product they no is unsafe or junk while saying differently or just not disclosing know issues. We've to many of the ME generation these days, and only passing it forward will make a change IMHO. That said "buyer beware" inspect inspect inspect,

I found Garybear and now the 98 LX looking for body parts for White lady 01 LX. I overpaid for white lady a bit, but well below KBB. I say this because of the time I've spent on it and body issue (hood). I also went overboard doing things that were not needed, just for the experience or because I'm such a perfectionist. I felt no big deal when I bought Whitelady, as it was minor hood work and looked good, but was wrong. Body issue can be pricy and paint condition matters. I could just flip as is and it is really clean, looks great and drives great, but not showroom ready yet. I pride myself on giving a product that is near 100% or at least I'll disclose anything/issue I know of.

Someone in a post on previous page, said; asking price (seller sets) is/are based on condition, and should be paid be paid or walkaway if you don't like. I don't agree, most sellers especially LX owners (no offense) just drive until it must go in shop. Sure they start out with pride and take to shop every 5K, to have oil changed/fluids (most) but as it ages they don't even bother to clean anymore. They have no idea what the rig needs, only what some tech tells them. It takes a good eye to know what to look for, and even I will not find it all in two, three, four or five hours of inspecting plus DD online in advance. But something's do give me clues as to what to expect and look for.

Now that value has drop on the 100's to point insurance companies are totaling with minor accident damage, we'll see more and more parts come to market.

I stick with 01 & 02, no NAV for the most part as they're a good price range. I also feel from reading mud and my experience, they are the most trouble free, reliable and bullet proof.

Good hunting.

Really appreciate your time for sharing this. Your post is enlightening for me who enjoys tinkering and fixing his cars. And thank you for your service!

Chris
 
You're more than welcome Chris, and sorry for rambling on.
 
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Need your opinions

Been toying around with the idea of selling my hundred. I am up in Canada, and this would most likely be heading south and need an idea what to list it for

2005 uzj100
Thundercloud metallic
111xxx miles
No rips or tears in the seats, just used leatherique.
Have 3rd row
Was a texas/ louisiana truck before making its way north
I am OCD when it comes to rust. It has very very minimal rust on the frame, like on the seam welds. Frame sprayed with fluid film to further my ocd.

New:
Timing belt
Water pump and pulleys ( have spare water pump and belt, new in box )
New OEM cv axles and drive flanges
New wheel bearings

Bad:
Needs rear axle painted ( again im ocd ). The PO used it to launch his boat into a fresh water lake near home.

I will post up a few photos this week.


Thanks for your help everyone...its a sad thought to sell it already. Dang kids costing money
 
IMHO $14K US. But No accidents, dings & dents, paint condition all effect value. Very clean with records could fetch more.
If somehow it's a no NAV, well! name your price.
You didn't say year/month of manufacturing. If manufacture after 10/04 or TSB: "FIFTH GEAR SHUDDER transmission" was factory corrected, a bit more value.

Fact it has new wheel bearing, hub flange & front drive shafts at such low miles, is great. But indicates it was not (previously) properly serviced. Just saying.
 
IMHO $14K US. But No accidents, dings & dents, paint condition all effect value. Very clean with records could fetch more.
If somehow it's a no NAV, well! name your price.
You didn't say year/month of manufacturing. If manufacture after 10/04 or TSB: "FIFTH GEAR SHUDDER transmission" was factory corrected, a bit more value.

Fact it has new wheel bearing, hub flange & front drive shafts at such low miles, is great. But indicates it was not (previously) properly serviced. Just saying.

Thanks! I can see where you are comimg from. Ill keep all that in mind when / if I post it for sale. Will also post the manufacturing date.



The cv's were done because they were weeping a bit. And with a kid on the way I wanted to get as much done on it preventativly while I still could. ( hence wheel bearings and flanges too ). Did I need to do the wheel bearings....nope. But I'm a bit crazy and I was already in there I decided to do them.

Im a firm believer in trail spares. So I opted to do them, and rebuild my originals.

Just a bit of back story...
 
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IMHO $14K US. But No accidents, dings & dents, paint condition all effect value. Very clean with records could fetch more.
If somehow it's a no NAV, well! name your price.
You didn't say year/month of manufacturing. If manufacture after 10/04 or TSB: "FIFTH GEAR SHUDDER transmission" was factory corrected, a bit more value.

Fact it has new wheel bearing, hub flange & front drive shafts at such low miles, is great. But indicates it was not (previously) properly serviced. Just saying.

I think 14k is low if it's really in good condition. It took me months to find a decent 03-05. Yours has LOW miles. At a dealer it would be close to 20k.
 
I think 14k is low if it's really in good condition. It took me months to find a decent 03-05. Yours has LOW miles. At a dealer it would be close to 20k.

I'd agree with this. I just got done buying also. At least in CA, this rig would list at least 20k at a dealer. I saw one 2004 very clean one owner listed at 20k with 150k here. I thought it was overpriced and not sure what they got for it but it disappeared off the market rather quickly.
 
Yes, Prices are up. I just completed a year+ search for 80's and 100's. I moved to 100's because I just could not find the 80 I wanted. The 100's are still out there and the extra room and V8 is really nice to have. Nice sub 125k 100's seem to be well over 15k. Some dealers who specialize in them seem to really shoot for the moon. There is a used car store in Oklahoma City that really has a nice selection. Thourghbred Motors. My 04 with 92k ended up there priced in the mid 20's! It was nearly perfect so I am sure it brought top dollar. It appears we are experiencing the bottom of the depreciation curve ($15K to 20K) at this moment for nice 100's
 

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