BJ42 vs. BJ70 -- Your opinions plz.

[beanz2]

none of what I type here is meant as a flame but.....

WTF!? You want a mall cruiser, you want a diesel not sold in the USA mall cruiser!?

Skip the imported truck...really doesn't sound like you need one anyways. It will cost a lot and be a hassle to get just so you can own a TLC that most others in the USA don't own. For $5-10k you can make your 60 pretty awesome...and that will be less $$$ than it will cost to import a nice BJ or 70 series.

That is my 2 cents.

Each to his own, really, but if I were to own a very rare and desirable vehicle, such as one of your BJ43's, I wouldn't want to bash it against the rocks. Yes, I'd take a more common vehicle such as an FJ40 or FJ60 and bash that against the rocks, sawzall the fenders and put all kinds of Chevy parts on it too (indeed that is how my VJ40 is.)

But some of us want these rare vehicles to cherish and to hold. Much more like a personal collection, you know? Like that official football signed by your favorite NFL star, you don't use it playing with the guys, right?

Now, let's talk about bringing me some rare stuff from the South ... You do parts?

Dave

 

[SNLC]

well ya of course I know about rare valueable trucks. Check my website to see! One of 975 soft top Patrols is in my collection along with a one of a kind 6x6 ex-racing Pinzgauer and also one of very few 1980's MQ diesel Patrols in the US of A. I had a very rare 66 patrol, it was the kind of truck like a $30k org FJ40/45 you see for sale from time to time. It was so clean and org though I could not bare to drive it but I also couldn't stand to see it sit. So I had to sell it Now the Pinz has been all over the world, owned by famous people and I have been told by Pinz "experts" it's value could top $75k! But it is an off-roading truck and I could use it for nothing else.

See....

Now what is the point in the pictures and what I just said? None really but wanted to show that a one of a kind, rare as can be, "priceless" off-road truck can and should be used for it's original purpose. What is the point in a $20k+ super cool paper weight be it TLC, Pinz, Patrol or Sugga? If you want a truck that should be in a museum, well...cool I say it is your cash. But at the least you should take it to car shows!

And my original point previously posted is not to discourge wanting a cool truck....or importing this cool truck. I myself own a bunch like I said and am importing more. But the idea is to offer a different point of view. Importing a 70-series to haul your mountain bike to the trail head to me just seems like a waste. Plus the mentioned diesel in the start of the topic is a 4cyl and man that motor from what I hear is slooooowwwww! Importing a 70-series as a DD does not seem pointless to me if you use it a lot for the entended purpose, ie off-roading. From where I sit it seems to me the guy wanting to import already has a good truck for his uses. He wants a diesel, simple solution is swap one in the 60. He doesn't like the 70 look to much, cool don't buy a 70. BJ42 he likes but then again he may find it is more of a PITA for his needs than the FJ60 he already has. Why? Lack of room and not as nice to drive to SanFran in. So sure sounds like a (H)J60 fits the bill, easiest way to get that? Import the H motor and drop it in the existing 60. That is my point of view on the subject at hand, nothing more and nothing less.

If you come to me and ask if I can import a 70 I will tell you NO! If you come to me and are after a FJ43, FJ45 or troopie well then yes I may be able to help! Do I do parts too? Sure anything and everything that is legal to import I can handle and yep I am SA based. Most all the parts though are already available in the USA. So what could it be that you seek from down south!?

 

[wesintl]

And my original point previously posted is not to discourge wanting a cool truck....or importing this cool truck. I myself own a bunch like I said and am importing more. But the idea is to offer a different point of view. Importing a 70-series to haul your mountain bike to the trail head to me just seems like a waste.

relax.. if the guy wants to mall around in a bj42 or 70 more power to him. On the flip side I can't understand why you would want to import patrols, but I don't draw out a post saying I think it's a waste to do so. Like we said to each his own, Good to see you actually get in the cruiser market.

 

[Radd Cruisers]

[QUOT. Importing a 70-series to haul your mountain bike to the trail head to me just seems like a waste.

I take offense to that remark as I am thinking about purchasing a BJ74 and it will haul my mountain bike to the trail head while getting great fuel economey and super dupper reliability. It will also get me and my family around on those days in the winter we get a couple big snow falls.

You seem to have a very strong opinoin on this thread which is always a joy to see how people view a post like this, interesting enough are your Pinz Zingers(sounds like a sewing machine LOL just kidding).

You talk about collectable vehicles, Land Pimp has one of the best collection of cruiser to date. He wheels some of them lightly while others are weekend runners on nice days, he however does not show them (as far as I know). I suspect he may never will and I sure do not expect him to take them to car shows as you have state people should with said vehicles.

What was your point again??????????

 

[SNLC]

ok no point...also not trying to offend. appologies if I did. I did try to not offend by using words like "to me it just seems like a waste". Feel free to put down a Patrol/Pinz, like anything else it is not a perfect truck. I don't take forums seriously enough to get very offended and realize we each have our own likes/dislikes....and believe it or not I do respect that of each person here. In the end I think the trucks are cool as can be no matter what you use it for!

But my point of view should not offed you or anyone else. We are all lovers of 4wd's and thus similar people. I also enjoy a stong point of view on a forum and yes I do have strong opinions. Such things can inspire the most interesting, thoughtful, informative conversations between people on a board. Simply because I have different ideas, uses of trucks and opinions does not mean I don't respect or enjoy what you are into or what you do. if that was the case I wouldn't be here typing in the first place. But it sure does mean I don't understand it all completly...

In general forums are hard to tell if a person is serious, offended, upset, full of BS or relaxed. I try not to read into forums that much to see such things in typing. Moreover a forum is a good way to have a thoughtful discussion and learn a few things.

You are right more power to the imported mall cruiser. Doesn't make a bit of sense to me but would be cool to see more of them on our USA roads. It's not like I don't enjoy seeing a 70 parked at the local super market...but I would enjoy seeing it on the trails ten times more!

 

[Radd Cruisers]

In general forums are hard to tell if a person is serious, offended, upset, full of BS or relaxed.

You are right more power to the imported mall cruiser. Doesn't make a bit of sense to me but would be cool to see more of them on our USA roads. It's not like I don't enjoy seeing a 70 parked at the local super market...but I would enjoy seeing it on the trails ten times more! [/QUOTE]


I am never that easily affend, just kidding around.

Were hoping to see a BJ74 maybe imported in the next couple of months, thats all Im saying.Zipp and throw away the key.

 

[labartonmd]

It takes a LOT of miles to recoop the cost differential of any mods done for fuel economy. If you figure a conservative cost of $4k for a TD swap with 28 mpg instead of his claimed 18 mpg my math comes like this. Diesel $2/gal vs $2.20 UNL regular yields twenty cents savings per gallon and ten more miles. Each dollar spent nets 50 miles times $4k equals 200k miles before you realize any benefit from your efforts! How many years that takes depends on how much you drive. Personally, I don't drive my truck enough for me to see any benefit for so many years that I may not even own it by the time it breaks even!

 

[wesintl]

Diesel $2/gal vs $2.20 UNL regular

Ha... where i'm at it's the otherway around

 

[NStimac]

I am a fairly new (as of June) 70's owner and I have to say I am quite impressed with my truck. I think you would really have to look for something that a 40 could do and a 70 couldn't. Assuming they were similarly equipped but I am sure there’s some gnarly rocks out there that could prove me wrong. The question is will you ever be going there? The combination of the diesel engine and the low gear allows for nice slow descents and lots of low end for climbing. All in all quite impressive. I must inform you I have a huge Bias I've never driven a 40 but since I got a 70 I probably never will. The 3b on the road is a little sluggish but I would say the power is adequate, barley. Although I can cruise at 65-70 mph on 31's (limited by tire size) and I can get 26mpg with my "pointless" non-turbo engine. I see the 70 closer to best of both worlds rather than a compromise.

 

[smcruisin]

Originally Posted by Landpimp
"thought the BJ42's had the PS pump on the passangerside as opposed to the 40's with it on the driverside?"







Hey John and Rob,

Sorry for the confusion, I was referring to the power steering gear-box being mounted to the driver side frame rail. Hopefully no-one buys a truck solely on the basis of what side of the engine the power steering pump is mounted!!!

Ha,

Steve

 

[Diescipel]

Folks, I suspect RMP&O is trying to work off a grudge against me for the post I did in the "Everything I ever learned about importing" post (here ), which was probably in bad taste and a bad idea, except that I think he has justified it with this little series of posts. Sorry I never responded to your PM RMP&O, but I really just didn't have the spare time.

You're forgetting the #1 reason why I want a diesel: BIODIESEL. With the cost of fuel, the political situation in the world, the environment etc. etc. it is time for me to do this. I considered converting the FJ60, but 1) I don't have the time to do my first engine swap, 2) the most serious mechanical work I've ever done is change a head gasket on a 22RE or the oil cooler seals on a Porsche 944, so a swap would take me a long time, 3) I don't like to pay other people to do things I can do myself, 4) I want to get rid of the 60 PRECISELY BECAUSE I don't like the "mall cruiser" direction TLCs have gone starting with 60 series, 5) the 60 is also way too big for me--I use all that space maybe once or twice a year, 6) because of the weight of the 60, fuel economy is compromised when a swap is done. I think the HJ60 gets like 22 mpg freeway (?), so the H motor swap only gets me 4 mpg more than what I get now (though could run biodiesel)--not worth it as labartonmd points out. A 13BT-H55F swap would be way better--I'm with Stickboy.

When I learned that some manufacturers were producing diesel SUVs (like the Heep Liberty; I also heard Ford is bringing back a compact Bronco) to meet the new diesel fuel formulation standards, I thought to myself, "Self, wouldn't it be great if Toyota would make a very economical, 4WD, 4 cylinder, compact but rugged, no bull**** truck for the new diesel fuel." Well, they aren't, as far as I know, but the point is moot as I found out when I learned about the Canadian diesel TLC market and models. The truck I envisioned has already been made--it's called the BJ42 (or maybe the BJ70). I am totally 100% loyal to Toyota Landcruisers. BJ42/70s meet all my criteria for an automobile.

I don't care about speed. If I wanted it, I'd buy another Porsche. I'm just trying to tread lightly (and, so, no, I will never heavily mod a cruiser for rock crawling. I rock crawl, or do 'trials,' on my mountain bike. I just prefer 2 wheels and pedals, no safe glass-and-steel boxes, for my offroad fix. If you want to call that "mall cruising" then go ahead. To each his own, as somebody said...) I'm getting out of the gasoline game, either on my bike or driving a biodiesel powered TLC.

RMP&O, is the Nissan Patrol board really boring or something? You know, I never knew what a Pinzgauer was. I saw one at the mall a few months ago, but I had no idea what it was. Thanks for the pics.

Anyhow, I'm a teacher, I've been up since 4 am and I will probably be up to 10 pm getting ready for tomorrow, so I've got to go. Also, it's game 7 of the NLCS! Who will play the Sox (yee haw!)? Thanks again for all the input on BJ42 v. BJ70.

B

 

[Landpimp]

I use to wheel......admitedly I don't anymore(except for work), but plan on it again, actaully tempted to make my mustard bone stock 82 fj40 into a wheeler(this makes some cringe). Will never wheel my green 82.

actaully I have been tempted to take the 45LV to a car show.......but I was not impressed with some of the folks I ran into this summer at a local car show..........so I prolly never will.

I personaly think Ian is giving good advice............might not be what people want to hear however

John

[QUOT. Importing a 70-series to haul your mountain bike to the trail head to me just seems like a waste.


You talk about collectable vehicles, Land Pimp has one of the best collection of cruiser to date. He wheels some of them lightly while others are weekend runners on nice days, he however does not show them (as far as I know). I suspect he may never will and I sure do not expect him to take them to car shows as you have state people should with said vehicles.

What was your point again??????????

 

[uzj100]

Did someone say bj70 for sale. This one has been for sale for some time in NC.

http://jtoutfitters.zoovy.com/product/VEHICLEBJ70

uzj100

 

[bad_religion_au]

bj70 and newer bj42 = same performance off road... except the 70 can probably run bigger tires on the stock power steering. considering it's about hte only significant mechanical difference between them.

i also agree, why buy a tough offroader, when a all wheel drive subaru will do the work you ask of it?

anyway... the 60 is far from a mall cruiser, remember, you guys got a product designed for the rest ofthe world and applied your own use to it. i mean the 100 series still comes with vinal floor and seats, with a solid axle, and no air con... barely a mall cruiser there eh?

 

[Diescipel]

bj70 and newer bj42 = same performance off road... except the 70 can probably run bigger tires on the stock power steering. considering it's about hte only significant mechanical difference between them.

i also agree, why buy a tough offroader, when a all wheel drive subaru will do the work you ask of it?

anyway... the 60 is far from a mall cruiser, remember, you guys got a product designed for the rest ofthe world and applied your own use to it. i mean the 100 series still comes with vinal floor and seats, with a solid axle, and no air con... barely a mall cruiser there eh?

I agree about the 60--at least they are still manual tranny, manual hubs, manual t-case, crank windows, no frills interior (mostly). But I have to say I like the AC...

Everybody and their dog has a Sub here. It's a cliche. Sorry, but yea, it's true. I've owned my FJ60 for 4 yrs. now. It has never let me down--first car ever. I can't say the same for my old '81 Sub wagon back in college. Some of the trailheads I go to require decent ground clearance and water fording. Subs are not diesels. Subs are pretty. All wheel drive sucks gas. Yada yada. ;p

Beddy bye time...................

 

[HZJ60 Guy]

Forget about both of them and buy a BJ74!






TB

 

[crushers]

if you are looking for a easily registered diesel in mint shape, and if you don't mind RHD, and if you have lots of money you could check out Darren's site www.lostguide.com . he has a sweet 1978 BJ40 with only 50,000 km on it. i have seen this truck in person and it really is a very nice unit. it would be a cake walk to get it in to the states.
just a suggestion and another option, not affiliated
Wayne

 

[SNLC]

no grudge dude...hardly my point in posting/typing at all. Yes my first comment about the flame was meant just for you but no grudge, no flame, not any of that jazz...just not worth my time.

No the Patrol boards are not that boring, I could spend many hours on there providing info and do just that. But I have found TLC's interesting for a long arse time. I owned an 87 just like the one you have when I was a teenager. Same year and everything. I also have been to Japan so I have an interest in things Japanese be it trucks or otherwise. Plus I do know about importing and am doing just that right now.

I was offering my point of view on the topic and what advice I have. The FJ60 is a good truck, no doubt. Pretty darn easy to put a diesel in it and be done with your desires for a diesel TLC. And if fuel economy due to world turmoil is your goal....well, just convert your 60 to LPG!!

Thanks John for the vision to see I was trying to help this guy to some extent. You will find if you get to know me I am a lover of 4x4's and rare cars/trucks but more than anything I love to off-road. It is the rush I am hooked on and the challenge to myself and the truck I am driving. You might find John that the right car shows won't bring you down but uplift you. That 66 Patrol I mentioned, since I sold it the new owner has had it in a half dozen car shows. Most Datsun specific shows but not all....and it gets ton and ton's of interest from people who have no idea what a Patrol is.

Any ways...I am off to work so cyas!

 

[dogstarmessenger]

Just returned from Calgary with the 85 BJ70 I purchased there
All went smooth at customs and on the road
the 70 is a great cruiser -fast and economical can oly imagine what an AXT turbo would add!

Hardest part about the trip was crossing the Rockies in Canada near Crowsnest pass--- ICE!!!!
the whole road (can rt. 3) was ICED and I lost control and spun awhile before going off the road into a snowy ditch VERY SCARRY! but the 4wd works great and pulled right out of the ditch and back on my way to continue my 24hr drive!
The lengths we americans will go for diesel Canadian cruisers!!!!!!!
next step registration hope it goes as smoth as my HJ60
cheeers!!!!!!!

 

[Stone]

Congratulations on your new TLC, Dogmastermessenger! May it be a long and memorable relationship! Pics?