"best" used winch for SLEE short bus front bumper? (8 Viewers)

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i'm looking online at used winches and wondering if anyone knows if there are good older models to look for. i've got a slee front bumper that insurance paid for. i'm planning to only pick up something that is really reliable and would be worth spending the time refurbing so wondering if there are specific makes or models i should look for.
 
I would try to find a Warn XP 9.5, should be more than enough power and it's a direct fit. That model has been around long enough you can find them used once in awhile. Certainly a high quality winch and worth rebuilding if necessary. They fit excellent on the short bus bumper without any mods.
 
I have a shortbus with a Warn 9.5 XP. I strongly suspect that the shortbus was designed around the Warn 9.5 XP because it was the fastest and most powerful mid-frame winch at the time the bumper was designed. I don't think any large-frame winches will fit and I know for sure an upright winch like an 8274 will not fit.

Another vote for a Warn 9.5 XP here, but any remote solenoid mid-frame winch (M8000 or similar) should fit.
 
I have a shortbus with a Warn 9.5 XP. I strongly suspect that the shortbus was designed around the Warn 9.5 XP because it was the fastest and most powerful mid-frame winch at the time the bumper was designed. I don't think any large-frame winches will fit and I know for sure an upright winch like an 8274 will not fit.

Another vote for a Warn 9.5 XP here, but any remote solenoid mid-frame winch (M8000 or similar) should fit.
thanks a ton gents. really helpful to know the 8274 won't work since that's all i knew to look for.
so Warn 9.5 XP.
can i just ask if i look for overall condition? or presumably test it if i can? otherwise i can rebuild it myself by disassembling, cleaning and replacing the brushes?
also googling here. can i do the 9.5 TI in addition to the XP?

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thanks a ton gents. really helpful to know the 8274 won't work since that's all i knew to look for.
so Warn 9.5 XP.
can i just ask if i look for overall condition? or presumably test it if i can? otherwise i can rebuild it myself by disassembling, cleaning and replacing the brushes?
also googling here. can i do the 9.5 TI in addition to the XP?

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No, the 9.5ti had an integrated solenoid and likely won’t fit.
 
You won't need a cradle (carrier with handles you are seeing with some listings) because you are mounting directly to your bumper. Cradles make it easier to take a winch on and off or mount to a trailer hitch receiver. You can re-sell the cradle if your winch comes with one.

The roller thing is called a fairlead, and yes you will need some kind of fairlead and that fairlead will mount to the front of your bumper. Roller fairleads are the classic old style and work great. Hawse fairleads have smooth edges for the cable or synthetic rope to run over and are lighter, lower profile, and higher friction. Aluminum hawse fairleads are not recommended for steel cable because the cable will damage them over time.

A remote solenoid refers to the black control box that is separate from the winch drum and body. The shortbus is designed very tight to the grill to maximize approach angle minimize weight but it means that integrated solenoids in the big bridge-looking aluminum housing as part of the winch body don't fit.

Don't worry about a ratty looking steel cable, the cable won't lay tight and clean on a winch that isn't mounted because it needs tension to stay neatly spooled, and cables are a wear item that needs replacing if they get kinked or frayed or otherwise damaged anyway. If you find a good winch with a damaged cable just factor the cost of a new cable into the purchase price.

A bit more on cables. Steel cable is much more durable and if it doesn't have visual damage it's likely perfectly good even if it's 50 years old. Because of it's durability, steel cable is unlikely to break even if you abuse it by winching with the cable running over rocks. When steel cable does break though it is extremely dangerous and can literally cut a person in half because it stretches under load and then all of that elastic energy turns into kinetic energy in a whipping steel cable. Steel cable is also hard to handle because it is very stiff and dangerous to handle if there is a single broken strand because a strand is sharp like a fish hook and can slice your hand open. Synthetic rope is sensitive to UV light exposure and abrasion and is easily damaged by running it over rocks or using it with dirt and dried mud embedded in the cable braid. Synthetic rope is much easier to handle and stretches much less than steel cable under load so when it breaks it is much less dangerous. An old timer once told me that steel cable is much more dangerous when it breaks but synthetic rope is much more likely to break from misuse or age. That same old timer pointed out to me that even though the synthetic rope itself is not likely to kill you when it breaks, if the vehicle that's hanging off the end of the winch line falls down a mountain when the rope breaks that can also kill people. Synthetic rope is lighter, safer and easier to handle, and less likely to cut people in half when it brakes, but it needs to be taken care of and replaced periodically. If you're shopping for older winches they are more likely to have steel cable on them. If the cable passes visual inspection it's perfectly good and you can use it, if the steel cable is damaged or you want to replace it for any reason you can replace it with new steel cable or convert to synthetic rope.

I mounted my shortbus before mounting my 9.5XP but then the winch wouldn't drop into place past the grill, I opted for disassembling the winch slightly and carefully fishing the parts into place and then reassembling, but in hindsight I would recommend installing the winch in the bumper and then installing the bumper on the truck.

The main thing you are looking for is a winch that hasn't been stored full of water. These older design Warn winches are not fully sealed, they have a drain hole in the motor housing that needs to be mounted in the down position so that if the winch gets submerged the water can drain out. Some bumpers require that a winch be mounted feet-forward, the shortbus requires that the winch be mounted feet-down. Mid-frame warn winches have a drain hole setup for the feet-down position by default but if the winch was mounted feet-forward without unplugging the appropriate drain hole they can collect water and damage the motor.

Visually inspect the drain hole for rusty water stains before purchase and test that the motor spins in both in and out directions if you can. Jumper cables to a car battery or a jump starter box is all you need to confirm that the motor spins.

You can likely find an old M8000 for cheap and that is a good classic Warn winch, but a bit undersized for an 80 series especially if you expect to get stuck in deep mud. The suction from being stuck in mud can make for very high winch recovery forces, and an M8000 is totally adequate to recover an 80 mired in deep mud with proper use of snatch blocks, but if you're not planning to get stuck in the mud you might not have your snatch blocks with you, or you might not have enough winch line to reach a winching anchor after using one or two snatch blocks meaning you may need winch extensions in addition.

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You won't need a cradle (carrier with handles you are seeing with some listings) because you are mounting directly to your bumper. Cradles make it easier to take a winch on and off or mount to a trailer hitch receiver. You can re-sell the cradle if your winch comes with one.

The roller thing is called a fairlead, and yes you will need some kind of fairlead and that fairlead will mount to the front of your bumper. Roller fairleads are the classic old style and work great. Hawse fairleads have smooth edges for the cable or synthetic rope to run over and are lighter, lower profile, and higher friction. Aluminum hawse fairleads are not recommended for steel cable because the cable will damage them over time.

A remote solenoid refers to the black control box that is separate from the winch drum and body. The shortbus is designed very tight to the grill to maximize approach angle minimize weight but it means that integrated solenoids in the big bridge-looking aluminum housing as part of the winch body don't fit.

Don't worry about a ratty looking steel cable, the cable won't lay tight and clean on a winch that isn't mounted because it needs tension to stay neatly spooled, and cables are a wear item that needs replacing if they get kinked or frayed or otherwise damaged anyway. If you find a good winch with a damaged cable just factor the cost of a new cable into the purchase price.

A bit more on cables. Steel cable is much more durable and if it doesn't have visual damage it's likely perfectly good even if it's 50 years old. Because of it's durability, steel cable is unlikely to break even if you abuse it by winching with the cable running over rocks. When steel cable does break though it is extremely dangerous and can literally cut a person in half because it stretches under load and then all of that elastic energy turns into kinetic energy in a whipping steel cable. Steel cable is also hard to handle because it is very stiff and dangerous to handle if there is a single broken strand because a strand is sharp like a fish hook and can slice your hand open. Synthetic rope is sensitive to UV light exposure and abrasion and is easily damaged by running it over rocks or using it with dirt and dried mud embedded in the cable braid. Synthetic rope is much easier to handle and stretches much less than steel cable under load so when it breaks it is much less dangerous. An old timer once told me that steel cable is much more dangerous when it breaks but synthetic rope is much more likely to break from misuse or age. That same old timer pointed out to me that even though the synthetic rope itself is not likely to kill you when it breaks, if the vehicle that's hanging off the end of the winch line falls down a mountain when the rope breaks that can also kill people. Synthetic rope is lighter, safer and easier to handle, and less likely to cut people in half when it brakes, but it needs to be taken care of and replaced periodically. If you're shopping for older winches they are more likely to have steel cable on them. If the cable passes visual inspection it's perfectly good and you can use it, if the steel cable is damaged or you want to replace it for any reason you can replace it with new steel cable or convert to synthetic rope.

I mounted my shortbus before mounting my 9.5XP but then the winch wouldn't drop into place past the grill, I opted for disassembling the winch slightly and carefully fishing the parts into place and then reassembling, but in hindsight I would recommend installing the winch in the bumper and then installing the bumper on the truck.

The main thing you are looking for is a winch that hasn't been stored full of water. These older design Warn winches are not fully sealed, they have a drain hole in the motor housing that needs to be mounted in the down position so that if the winch gets submerged the water can drain out. Some bumpers require that a winch be mounted feet-forward, the shortbus requires that the winch be mounted feet-down. Mid-frame warn winches have a drain hole setup for the feet-down position by default but if the winch was mounted feet-forward without unplugging the appropriate drain hole they can collect water and damage the motor.

Visually inspect the drain hole for rusty water stains before purchase and test that the motor spins in both in and out directions if you can. Jumper cables to a car battery or a jump starter box is all you need to confirm that the motor spins.

You can likely find an old M8000 for cheap and that is a good classic Warn winch, but a bit undersized for an 80 series especially if you expect to get stuck in deep mud. The suction from being stuck in mud can make for very high winch recovery forces, and an M8000 is totally adequate to recover an 80 mired in deep mud with proper use of snatch blocks, but if you're not planning to get stuck in the mud you might not have your snatch blocks with you, or you might not have enough winch line to reach a winching anchor after using one or two snatch blocks meaning you may need winch extensions in addition.

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thanks a ton for this.
 

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